And nothing the “state” has ever done was a bad thing.
In all seriousness I don’t remember there being big support in the coastal counties seems was more in the upstate. I guess it’s if you like more regulation or less. Doesn’t matter now it’s a done deal, will only be a year or two until they start to crank down the limits.
The best I can recall, while the support wasn’t as high in the low country as it was in the upstate, it was still over 60% (upstate was over 93%). I’d call that a majority.
For me, it has nothing to do with liking more or less regulations. In fact, this new system has nothing to do with me at all. The DNR has a very unenviable and thankless job of trying to juggle managing the state’s natural resources with the hunter’s satisfaction/enjoyment. Personally, I wish they’d be allowed to do their job and only focus on the betterment of the state’s natural resources. Who could ever imagine wildlife biologists being allow to manage the wildlife without criticism from every armchair backyard wildlife biologist and politician. No one, because it will never happen.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
I would like to see a breakdown of that survey with some demographic info.
Did they cut out all depredation permits for the future? If not then I only see more regulation not better management.
I’m sure you can find it o the DNR website. Like I said, they’ve been having this discussion and public meeting about this topic for several years. Can’t say they’ve have it broken down in “demographics” any more specific than “low country” and “upstate.” Might have “pee dee” in there too but again, nothing more specific. The ones I attend had all walks of life there…bow hunters, gun hunters, dog hunters, anti-hunters, anti-dog hunters, traditional bow hunters that don’t like bow hunters that use compounds…you name it. Some even had regional legislators in attendance.
Depredation permits and ADQP are totally different and separate from the new tag system discussed in this thread. One has nothing to do with the others. If you watch the video in the link I pasted, you’ll see they answer a lot of questions about the new tag system.
Sadly, some people will and do see this as nothing more than “more regulation” and there’s not going to be anything anyone can say that will change their minds. People don’t like being told what to do, I get that. Just like drug dealers don’t like being told it’s illegal to sell drugs, to be told not to do something doesn’t mean the person telling you not to do it is wrong for doing so. The DNR has some very good biologists in their ranks and I’m more than comfortable trusting them to make the right management decisions for the whitetail deer in our state and I’ll gladly do as I’m told as it pertains to hunting those deer.
I only kill 3-5 deer every year, lord willing, so I’m fine with being told I can’t load my truck bed with peahead racks to show’em off around town and I’ve never been someone that has to kill every doe I see just so I can brag about being a steely-eyed killer. Tags or not, limits or not, I’m only going to take what I need and so far, that’s always been less than I’m allowed to take.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
quote:what county do you deer hunt in now?
Originally posted by DawsonAnd nothing the “state” has ever done was a bad thing.
In all seriousness I don’t remember there being big support in the coastal counties seems was more in the upstate. I guess it’s if you like more regulation or less. Doesn’t matter now it’s a done deal, will only be a year or two until they start to crank down the limits.
Charleston. And I never said the tags were bad I said I don’t like the government making my decisions for me. Landowners and the people that lease land year after year should be allowed to manage as they see fit. Government can set what ever quota they see fit on public land.
Owning/Leasing land doesn’t somehow bestow the necessary knowledge/experience needed to accurately and properly manage wild game. Again, there’s a difference between “your property” and the wild game that resides on it.
I guess we’re wasting breaths debating/disagreeing about this anyway since this tag system has already been approved.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
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Originally posted by DawsonCharleston. And I never said the tags were bad I said I don’t like the government making my decisions for me. Landowners and the people that lease land year after year should be allowed to manage as they see fit. Government can set what ever quota they see fit on public land.
I can’t agree with you. People would never do it. At least not a lot of em. If it was up to a lot of landowners they’d kill every Duck, Dove, Goose, Deer, or quail they could and swear they were managing correctly.
I don’t think a lot of people realise just how big a territory Deer will travel. Even well fed ones. We butt up to an 18,000 acre plantation with several other Large landowners all knowing each other. We’ve shared pictures and kills on bucks that have traveled many miles in a season.
You get a landowner with a small 20 acre track in a prime location that deer like to “hold” up on and he could ruin everyone’s attempt at QDM. I can site two good examples of just such land owners that could give a possums piss less about the deer they kill, they just like the numbers.
“Why Bruce?”
Big brother grew tired of hearing "brown is down ". Those deer belong to the State of South Carolina,and apparently some are/were not capable of properly managing our deer. The bottom of this c/p from SCDNR really hits on some good points.
Why do I need deer tags?
Deer hunting
Deer management bill background information
Commonly called the “Deer Management Bill”, passage of S.454 in June 2016 was the culmination of a multi-year effort on the part of SC deer hunters, SCDNR, and the SC General Assembly. The basis for the changes brought about by this legislation include changes in SC deer hunter attitudes and changes in the state’s deer population. The following points are key issues important in the passage of the legislation which becomes law July 1, 2017.
White-tailed deer are the official state animal and the most important game species in SC. Yet, there has never been an enforceable limit on the number of bucks a hunter can take during the season.
Although there has been a 5-buck limit prescribed by law in the two upstate Game Zones, these limits have never been enforceable. In the two coastal plain Game Zones state law has specified there is “no limit” on antlered deer. This has never been a function of DNR but rather history, tradition, and politics.
This lack of a reasonable bag limit on bucks is in stark contrast to the approach in other states and to the approach with other fish and game species in SC which typically have bag limits.
Limits in other southeastern states include; Alabama 3 (one has antler restrictions), Arkansas 2 (all have antler restrictions), Georgia 2 (one has antler restrictions), Kentucky 1, Louisiana 3, Mississippi 3 (all have antler restrictions), Missouri 2 (1 with firearms), North Carolina 4 (2 outside of eastern dog zone), Oklahoma 2 (1 with firearms), Tennessee 3, Texas varies by zone 1, 2, or 3, Virginia 3 (2 outside of eastern dog zone).
Since 2000, an average of only 7 percent of hunters take more than 4 bucks annually, however, this 7 percent of hunters
quote:Dawson, you see this brah?
Originally posted by DawsonCharleston. And I never said the tags were bad I said I don’t like the government making my decisions for me. Landowners and the people that lease land year after year should be allowed to manage as they see fit. Government can set what ever quota they see fit on public land.
DNR has repeatedly measured hunter opinion on these issues using public meetings and various surveys. Regardless of the technique used, results of these efforts indicated 70+ percent support among hunters in having a reasonable limit on bucks and a tagging system for all deer that would provide for enforcement of limits.
Again, I never said I was against it, I said I don’t like being told what to do by the state. And yes average statewide was 70% because the upstate was near unanimous coastal much less so. This will also end dog hunting in my opinion.
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Originally posted by DawsonAgain, I never said I was against it, I said I don’t like being told what to do by the state. And yes average statewide was 70% because the upstate was near unanimous coastal much less so. This will also end dog hunting in my opinion.
These new rules won’t have an effect on dog hunting. Sad to say, ignorance of dog hunting, and also ignorant dog hunters have already killed dog hunting.
It’s a shame really. There are many areas that deer populations need dogs to help control it. After all Deer are primarily nocturnal animals. Sure comes rut they get stupid and will walk right up to you, but our lowcountry deer population is huge and needs many culled that tree standers alone will not manage. Cool thing is DNR is pretty good about depredation permits when needed. They are good bunch of people.
“Why Bruce?”
quote:Sorry brah, but again, the deer are our States natural resource . I believe the State has given every opportunity for its residents to properly manage deer. It wasn't working, and the State has every right to try a different management approach. Dog hunters probably added fuel to the fire,with little to no sensible management, hard to age or determined sex if it's a blur jumping over a road.
Originally posted by DawsonAgain, I never said I was against it, I said I don’t like being told what to do by the state. And yes average statewide was 70% because the upstate was near unanimous coastal much less so. This will also end dog hunting in my opinion.
You have a right to protest, but you’re in the minority. I didn’t know where all this was headed 15+ years ago when I entered in DNR’s ADQP, but I played by the rules, sent my accurate harvest reports in on time ,sent jawbones,game cam pics,and certified spotlight survey information to my regional biologist every year. It’s paid off, and in turn ended up with an extremely accurate number of tags for both sexes.
People in KY once thought their DNR had lost their minds when they implemented such strict management limits. Now, KY has a VERY healthy and well-balanced deer herd that boasts an impressive age structure. For you “horn hunters,” KY ranks near the top of the list of annual B&C entries in the country AND state hunting surveys show impressive hunter’s satisfaction ratings.
Bottom line, let the experts do what they do best and if hunters stay out of their way, they might just be pleasantly surprised by the results. It is possible for SC to have good quality hunting along with sensible quantity hunting. If given a chance to reach a more mature age, our bucks DO have the genetics to produce “hunting show quality” racks. But again, we’ll never see that as long as the average age of harvested bucks stays under 2 1/2 years of age.
Let the DNR do their job and go enjoy the freedoms and VERY liberal limits and season SC offers and quit your b1tching. No one has taken anything away from you.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
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Originally posted by poly ball. Dog hunters probably added fuel to the fire,with little to no sensible management, hard to age or determined sex if it’s a blur jumping over a road.
How about a dog club that uses small beagles and the better shooters use a rifle? Very easy to cull out what you want or don’t want. and all hunters know where everyone is before you cry fowl on the range of a rifle. All dogs have GPS tracking collars and have never once been of property. If I go I always use a shotgun, too shaky a shooter to freehand a rifle at any distance. Many still believe their is no Sport in sitting in a stand and shooting over bait. They like the challenge of a moving target and have the skill to take the target. Not knocking tree standers as I tend to do much more of that now.
While you and I don’t agree, I’m leaning more to your side on dog hunting. Just know there are some very good dog clubs still left and when you’ve been around it, it is not hard to determine age or sex at times. Not as easy as counting ticks through a NightForce NXS, a nice schmidt & Bender, or perhaps a Hensoldt 6-24x72mm SAM. But still doable to a seasoned hunter.
“Why Bruce?”
I don’t dog hunt but I agree there are responsible dog hunters out there that “do it right” but sadly, they’re not the ones impacting their sport and quite frankly, they’re not doing anything to police their own to help preserve their sport. Inaction doesn’t make you more innocent or less guilty than the actions that are leading to the black eye for dog hunters. There has been massive dog hunting reform in GA and while it wasn’t initially embraced by every dog hunter, it is proving to be effective in allowing the tradition to continue while falling in line with acceptable management practices. GA dog hunters saw that if they wanted to continue doing what they love, they had to change the way they do it. SC dog hunters are apparently more stubborn and that will more than likely bring about the end of dog hunting in SC.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
I’m so happy about the new white tail deer rules and regulations.This place is finally getting more and more like we did it up North.DNR should also shorten the season like up North.Only open 2 weeks during the rut so the deer will be more tame like on the Outdoor Channel.Don’t know what these southern boys are thinking.Deer hunting is not a sport.Its the serious business of Bone Collecting,you know getting a big rack to prove you are better than the next guy.If they want to shoot,let them kill some bud lite cans.I personally love to sit in my treehouse and watch a buck for 5 years,eating at my corn pile,then blast him with a high powered rifle with a night scope.Now that is a sport!Deer should be raised like livestock then killed when they are a quality trophy.Now if we could only get rid of evil dog hunters and evil crabbers.Maybe DNR will start requiring tags for every ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■,squirrel and rabbit that is taken.We the majority can only hope so.
quote:who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
Originally posted by smanI’m so happy about the new white tail deer rules and regulations.This place is finally getting more and more like we did it up North.DNR should also shorten the season like up North.Only open 2 weeks during the rut so the deer will be more tame like on the Outdoor Channel.Don’t know what these southern boys are thinking.Deer hunting is not a sport.Its the serious business of Bone Collecting,you know getting a big rack to prove you are better than the next guy.If they want to shoot,let them kill some bud lite cans.I personally love to sit in my treehouse and watch a buck for 5 years,eating at my corn pile,then blast him with a high powered rifle with a night scope.Now that is a sport!Deer should be raised like livestock then killed when they are a quality trophy.Now if we could only get rid of evil dog hunters and evil crabbers.Maybe DNR will start requiring tags for every ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■,squirrel and rabbit that is taken.We the majority can only hope so.
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Originally posted by smanI’m so happy about the new white tail deer rules and regulations.This place is finally getting more and more like we did it up North.DNR should also shorten the season like up North.Only open 2 weeks during the rut so the deer will be more tame like on the Outdoor Channel.Don’t know what these southern boys are thinking.Deer hunting is not a sport.Its the serious business of Bone Collecting,you know getting a big rack to prove you are better than the next guy.If they want to shoot,let them kill some bud lite cans.I personally love to sit in my treehouse and watch a buck for 5 years,eating at my corn pile,then blast him with a high powered rifle with a night scope.Now that is a sport!Deer should be raised like livestock then killed when they are a quality trophy.Now if we could only get rid of evil dog hunters and evil crabbers.Maybe DNR will start requiring tags for every ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■,squirrel and rabbit that is taken.We the majority can only hope so.
Snowflake troll alert!!!
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
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Originally posted by bangstickI don’t dog hunt but I agree there are responsible dog hunters out there that “do it right” but sadly, they’re not the ones impacting their sport and quite frankly, they’re not doing anything to police their own to help preserve their sport. Inaction doesn’t make you more innocent or less guilty than the actions that are leading to the black eye for dog hunters. There has been massive dog hunting reform in GA and while it wasn’t initially embraced by every dog hunter, it is proving to be effective in allowing the tradition to continue while falling in line with acceptable management practices. GA dog hunters saw that if they wanted to continue doing what they love, they had to change the way they do it. SC dog hunters are apparently more stubborn and that will more than likely bring about the end of dog hunting in SC.
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
I think the biggest help on Georgia was limiting how close a hunter can stand from a public road. Put a bunch of dog hunters away from the public’s eye and you stop the majority of the complaints. People that don’t hunt or even own land and see a bunch of trucks on the side of the road will call in complaining and I can’t blame them. Scares me having someone I know nothing about on pin and needles waiting to take a shot at a deer running across a public road. I’ve seen people too jacked up on killing a deer to pay one bit of attention to a car fastly approaching them. Anyone that has dog hunted and has not seen it happen has not hunted often.
“Why Bruce?”