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I do not mind having unreported “seed” artificial reefs to overstock the ocean. Instead of wanting access to 1-2 secret reefs, I’d much rather have access to more reefs.
Maybe the DNR should buy a barge, a used tug and an excavator instead of having to pay contracts to deliver the materials to reefs. In the long run, it’d be money well spent.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dad
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2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
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1 - 18 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
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quote:I would like to see the DNR allow us to build our own reefs with approved materials. With all the MPA's and secret DNR sites , there should be some open areas that the public could build on.
Originally posted by claimI do not mind having unreported “seed” artificial reefs to overstock the ocean. Instead of wanting access to 1-2 secret reefs, I’d much rather have access to more reefs.
Maybe the DNR should buy a barge, a used tug and an excavator instead of having to pay contracts to deliver the materials to reefs. In the long run, it’d be money well spent.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dadEquipment:
2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
1- 22 boy that won’t move out)
1 - 18 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)ECFC
I’m new to this site. When and where do these meetings take place
Hope y’all don’t mind me chiming in here. But I have consulted with DNR multiple times on this issue. Jason and I have discussed this very thing…multiple times. RIGHT NOW, you can sink private reefs off of SC. There is a short and simple process. Get the material approved by DNR, and go sink the stuff. The one caveat is that it has to be in a currently permitted site. Most artificial reef sites are 1 square mile. You can sink your material anywhere in that square. If you have a barge, or a boat large enough to tow something you want to sink, call Ft. Johnson, get the stuff approved and go have fun.
As for the state doing this, I have continually pushed for more state funding to build more and better reefs. I will continue to do so.
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
And one more thing…I have asked several years for the locations of the two secret reefs. I know a few people on here have them, but no one has ever made them public. DNR refused to give them to me. As stated above, politicians may run this state, but DNR can simply say no. I’ve seen them do it over and over again. The only leverage we have is budgetary leverage. And the Director knows that I don’t have any desire to cut DNR’s budget. It’s one of the few agencies that really needs increased funding. DNR comes to us with suggestions; we say yes or no. We go to DNR with suggestions, they say yes or no. There’s mutual respect, and no one is running over the other. Good ideas usually get approval from both branches, but marginal and sometimes poor ideas actually escape the legislative process. It’s sausage making, and can get ugly. You gotta remember that what’s important to the coast isn’t always important to the upstate, but every Senator and Representative; Upstate, Midlands and Coastal, all have a vote. Before you go calling anyone at DNR or in the Legislature stupid or clueless or corrupt, please consider that fact. There are a lot of good intentions that don’t always turn out the way people wanted or expected.
And finally, if you want better wildlife rules/regs, vote for legislators that hunt and fish. Regardless of everyone’s good intentions, very few people in the legislature actually hunt and fish…at least not the way you and I do. Peter McCoy, Chip Campsen and I are about the only three serious offshore guys out of 170 people. There are a couple more that dabble, but very few actually understand saltwater fishing. Vote appropriately people.
Rant over.
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
The secret reefs which were built with SAFMC funding over 20 years ago are no longer secret. They are on navigation charts and were declared Special Management Zones by the Council. This process was a public exercise and was approved by the Secretary of Commerce. It is my understanding these un fished sites were so effective that they are covered up with red snapper and other species, provide spawning habitat and increased local biomass, as well as other documented positive net effects. Before the experiment, these benefits were commonly questioned by some scientists who contended that artificial reefs did nothing to enhance the local flora and fauna but rather concentrate fish and made them vulnerable to over fishing.
Guys, the material is limestone. I will try to get a summary of the latest plan from the COE.
The gist of it is there will be something like 8 clusters approx the size of a football field each and within each cluster pyramids of dredge material for vertical relief.
These will be adjacent to the shipping channel, off to the side in an array.
And south of the jetties a huge, and I mean huge “square” with high relief walls within which will be placed the loose small dredge material like sand.
The site is approx 8 mi offshore.
Its gonna be amazing.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
I too like the idea of creating our own reefs. Most individuals can’t afford or don’t have the means to do such. Local saltwater clubs could do it though. The Greenville saltwater club used to be pretty big but I haven’t heard any mention of it in years. There’s lots of saltwater fisherman in the upstate. We just elect the wrong guys. Bunch of nerds that don’t hunt or fish.
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Originally posted by OptikerGuys, the material is limestone. I will try to get a summary of the latest plan from the COE.
The gist of it is there will be something like 8 clusters approx the size of a football field each and within each cluster pyramids of dredge material for vertical relief.
These will be adjacent to the shipping channel, off to the side in an array.
And south of the jetties a huge, and I mean huge “square” with high relief walls within which will be placed the loose small dredge material like sand.
The site is approx 8 mi offshore.
Its gonna be amazing.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
I like it.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dad
Equipment:
2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
1- 22 boy that won’t move out)
1 - 18 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
It is encouraging to see the positive reaction to the idea of building new reefs. We should remember, however that any reef beyond three miles is in federal jurisdiction. That includes the reefs we (South Carolinians)have built, and might build. How would that problem be resolved?
Re: the private dnr reefs
Where is the data on this research?
I would be interested to read it and it seems it would be validation that more reefs would makes the fishery better.
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The SAFMC has created plenty of MPA’s, Thousands of square miles! and in my opinion, our own state should not be using OUR money to create reefs that we can never fish.
Nature boy, is the issue of federal vz. State control going to keep any reefs from being built or expanded?
IDK ?? I know of some very good privately constructed reefs that really produce. Its easier to be forgiven than getting permission. The enviro groups say that reefs do not create more sea life , but only concentrate , so they are against privately constructed reefs.
So the enviros believe that if the Great Barrier Reef were half the size it is now they would be just as many fish, they would just relocate.
They can sure cook up some absurd logic.
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Just because they put Environmental Group in their name doesn’t mean they actually help the environment.
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Originally posted by OptikerGuys, the material is limestone. I will try to get a summary of the latest plan from the COE.
The gist of it is there will be something like 8 clusters approx the size of a football field each and within each cluster pyramids of dredge material for vertical relief.
These will be adjacent to the shipping channel, off to the side in an array.
And south of the jetties a huge, and I mean huge “square” with high relief walls within which will be placed the loose small dredge material like sand.
The site is approx 8 mi offshore.
Its gonna be amazing.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
Interesting, i Didn’t realize that digging into limestone would be required. I dont recall seeing anything like that in the news.
Does the lack of response mean thre is no solution to the dilemma?
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Originally posted by millacdquote:
Originally posted by OptikerGuys, the material is limestone. I will try to get a summary of the latest plan from the COE.
The gist of it is there will be something like 8 clusters approx the size of a football field each and within each cluster pyramids of dredge material for vertical relief.
These will be adjacent to the shipping channel, off to the side in an array.
And south of the jetties a huge, and I mean huge “square” with high relief walls within which will be placed the loose small dredge material like sand.
The site is approx 8 mi offshore.
Its gonna be amazing.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
Interesting, i Didn’t realize that digging into limestone would be required. I dont recall seeing anything like that in the news.
Right…where can we read this info?
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