You guys are funny and i really enjoy you bashing the adventure seeker and each other for that matter. couldn’t help myself as i have one point to make. GPS /chart plotters-- greatest devise since sliced bread but my experience has shown me that if it needs power it will fail… Map/chart protractor and parallel rule are one of the most important things to have on a bote offshore. Thats why the cpts test still covers a practical test on how to do this. The training and test has nothing do do with how to push the buttons on a chart plotter. So learn how to chart a course from a chart in the dark and the most common mistake on the water will be avoided (getting lost cause your electronics failed) Before you jump on me , my experience comes from 20 yrs as a special forces diver and water operations expert. I’ve jumped out of a plane chasing a 15ft rubber bote w/ 4horse motor into the sea 30miles out and with little chart flashlight and pencil handheld compass found the unfriendly shore we were seeking. My brother and i fished hundresd of times off the windaward side of hawai in a 21ft single engine seaswirl 50-60miles out in 12-14 ft seas. No chart plotter or GPS. All your advice is great but i hardly think you really give a crap about this young fella , just like busting his balls cause he was out fishing and you were looking at your computer. Have fun all
You guys are funny and i really enjoy you bashing the adventure seeker and each other for that matter. couldn’t help myself as i have one point to make. GPS /chart plotters-- greatest devise since sliced bread but my experience has shown me that if it needs power it will fail… Map/chart protractor and parallel rule are one of the most important things to have on a bote offshore. Thats why the cpts test still covers a practical test on how to do this. The training and test has nothing do do with how to push the buttons on a chart plotter. So learn how to chart a course from a chart in the dark and the most common mistake on the water will be avoided (getting lost cause your electronics failed) Before you jump on me , my experience comes from 20 yrs as a special forces diver and water operations expert. I’ve jumped out of a plane chasing a 15ft rubber bote w/ 4horse motor into the sea 30miles out and with little chart flashlight and pencil handheld compass found the unfriendly shore we were seeking. My brother and i fished hundresd of times off the windaward side of hawai in a 21ft single engine seaswirl 50-60miles out in 12-14 ft seas. No chart plotter or GPS. All your advice is great but i hardly think you really give a crap about this young fella , just like busting his balls cause he was out fishing and you were looking at your computer. Have fun all
“Destiny” 31ft Contender Manning SC
You might have found your unfriendly shoreline, but you missed the point of my post by at least a hemisphere. That guy had no business out there with his family in the boat he was in (equp speaking)this time of year and with the apparent lack of knowledge he exhibited. And I can’t find anywhere in my post where I "bashed’ the guy. I just said it seemed like he was sure pushing his lim
You guys are funny and i really enjoy you bashing the adventure seeker and each other for that matter. couldn’t help myself as i have one point to make. GPS /chart plotters-- greatest devise since sliced bread but my experience has shown me that if it needs power it will fail… Map/chart protractor and parallel rule are one of the most important things to have on a bote offshore. Thats why the cpts test still covers a practical test on how to do this. The training and test has nothing do do with how to push the buttons on a chart plotter. So learn how to chart a course from a chart in the dark and the most common mistake on the water will be avoided (getting lost cause your electronics failed) Before you jump on me , my experience comes from 20 yrs as a special forces diver and water operations expert. I’ve jumped out of a plane chasing a 15ft rubber bote w/ 4horse motor into the sea 30miles out and with little chart flashlight and pencil handheld compass found the unfriendly shore we were seeking. My brother and i fished hundresd of times off the windaward side of hawai in a 21ft single engine seaswirl 50-60miles out in 12-14 ft seas. No chart plotter or GPS. All your advice is great but i hardly think you really give a crap about this young fella , just like busting his balls cause he was out fishing and you were looking at your computer. Have fun all
“Destiny” 31ft Contender Manning SC
Glad you were a USACS or the like, but you missed the point here sir. Most of the stuff being told was in fact constructive and wise. What you did was a whole different set of risks with different training and objectives. Plus, I was fishing that day as well…
Yall are talking about two different people. The post started about one tard and somehow shifted to me-tard. Most everyone has sent their comments to me, however, I was not the guy lost, looking for the commanche, dropping anchor on someone else’s hole, dragging his young family along for the adventure.
I went to the Sixty, knew were I was going, knew how to get back, had two gps receivers, had safety supplies (maybe not Phin’s list, of which I am working on), and most importantly had no women or children with me, just another consenting 20 something year old law student.
I am pretty risky and do some dumb things, but not quite that lost.
Cracker you are correct, no bashing just that the thread kind got entertaining. I agree with all said i was just pointing out that even the experienced guys rely soley on GPS/plotter. Thats a big mistake. Its kinda they way the world is going strickly electronis people can’t even find there way to the grocery store. Saw some guys get killed in Irag cause there nav system went out and they could read a map. Went the wrong way. Really easy to do in fog or at night in the water. Even a simple mistake like punching in one wrong number in and not double checking it against a chart can put you miles off couse before realizing it. I was trolling up north of the parking lot this weekend. covered up by little tunney all afternoon in case any body wants to here about fishing. ya its not yellow fin but still alot of fun.
Cracker you are correct, no bashing just that the thread kind got entertaining. I agree with all said i was just pointing out that even the experienced guys rely soley on GPS/plotter. Thats a big mistake. Its kinda they way the world is going strickly electronis people can’t even find there way to the grocery store. Saw some guys get killed in Irag cause there nav system went out and they could read a map. Went the wrong way. Really easy to do in fog or at night in the water. Even a simple mistake like punching in one wrong number in and not double checking it against a chart can put you miles off couse before realizing it. I was trolling up north of the parking lot this weekend. covered up by little tunney all afternoon in case any body wants to here about fishing. ya its not yellow fin but still alot of fun.
“Destiny” 31ft Contender Manning SC
Having a wokring compass, an understanding of your surroundings, and a map are all smart and good skills. I learned to run boats in the loran B and C days, so I guess I was lucky enough to be forced to learn more about my suroundings… it is still kinda habit now… with that said, I do put a lot of faith in my GPS/chartplotter…
I did not list it, but I do have two charts on the boat and a handheld compass in case something happens to the fixed mount or the electronics. I’ve got tools on board, and I’ve also have a carbed 2 stroke on my small boat that can be pull-started if my batteries somehow die. I keep them less than 2 yrs old though- another safety tip for offshore boats…
Also have a backup portable bilge pump and reserve oil, etc. Redundancy and overkill are ideal offshore, and having a means to navigate off paper is common sense that a lot of people probably miss. You begin to run out of room on a small boat for all the other things you’d ideally want, but a lot of people miss the basics I think. I bring a few tools, a map, and a compass with me in my bag when I go offshore with other people on private boats for that reason. It will never hurt as much as when you don’t have it out there.
A couple years ago I picked up a passed out high school graduate in a rubber float about a mile off the beach. His antenna wasnt working so he couldnt get a fix on his GPS:sunglasses:
Really I am not too concerned about what a bunch of guys behind a computer are saying. I take my own calculated risks. If I lived my life in fear I would not have half of the fun that I do (racing motorcycles ain’t exactly ring around the rosie).
HOW 'BOUT THEM DAWGS!!!
That's a nice Buell, but you're gunna have to tape those lights up to bring it to the track. No street stuff on mine, track only, much safer @ 160, but when those 1000's blow by @ 180 or 190 in the straight aways, it makes you feel like you're standing still
a couple of shots of my 07 R6 from my last trip to VIR. I’ve got to learn to get lower in the corners. Any advice? Do you really race motorcycles? Street rider? Or just think it’s cool?
TunaNut, I have raced motorcycles my entire life 16 years as a Pro Motocrosser. Bring your bike (even though its track prepped) the next time you are in the Low Country and I will be glad to work with you some. It guarantee a great time and a few stories to share.
Duckcommander, pick a day when we are heading offshore and pile in!!! There are several things I am very good at but only two I am willing to share knowledge and the inside track about. LOL
I am glad that you have enough confidence in yourself to keep going but these guys are right, the smallest mistake and its all over. As a diver I know first hand what our chances are for surviving in less than 60 degree water
Kent, I’m sure you could teach me alot, but I’d really rather catch some bugs. Looks like you got that down. I’m a rider not a racer. I got much respect for any AMA racer. Just don’t have the guts to push that hard. Any tips to pick up lap times are much appreciated. Duckcommander reminds me alot of me, when I was his age. I got no problem with someone that has confidence in there equipment and ability pushing to the edge. Sounds like there might have been a few out that day pushing over their limits. Edit to add: I watched some old video from back in the day with my girlfriend(wife). She’s even spent the nite in the canyons (90NM)with me in this bote slaying 100+# YFT
Give em a ring and it’s all over. Good thing a got a boy who loves to fish from her. Still love her “till death does us part”, but it’s usually just me and Alex on our bote now.
hdgb, back in the 80’s(preGPS) when I served my 4 years in the 10 SF Group in Bad Tolz, FRG, you were kick out if you couldn’t read a map. Have things changed that much? I only did a handful of water insertions, but we didn’t have a 4 horse, paddles only. And I disagree with you if you don’t think that many on this site don’t care. Yea, some are ballbusters, but many have genuine concern for all mariners. I sure am glad I had the right people busting mine when I was young and immortal.
have fun, be safe, and come home to your loved ones!
glad you still love her…and it sounds like you really do and are proud of her…but “rings” dont change things…“people” change… for whatever reason…and you dont have to be “married” to them to see this happen…it just seems more noticeable then…and a reason people seem to like to use…
Penfishn, you’re on the money. The children had more to do with the change than the rings. Hearing the editoral bout Kent’s girlfriend lit the candle to watch to vids of the “good ole days”. Just a refreshing reminder of why I asked her to marry me.
MP, by the way good catch. how much bait you gotta bring bottom fushing to bring up a couple hundred fush? do you use bionic bait? Just kidding…got no dog in that fight. If it ain’t catchen, it’s bad bait.
tunanut>>>glad you didnt get mad at what I said…because I didnt mean it sarcasticaly at all…relationships change over time due to numerous things…I always laugh and tell my husband he should treat me like he would one of his friends…not his wife when he gets a little aggravated with me…with he usually at that point says his friend would not have ticked him off:smiley:…cant win in a mans conversation…oh sorry[:I]. See in our case he thought I would lose interest in fishing “so much”…says he wishs I loved him as much as my boat and tackle:smiley:…now how could he say that:question:
MP, by the way good catch. how much bait you gotta bring bottom fushing to bring up a couple hundred fush? do you use bionic bait? Just kidding…got no dog in that fight. If it ain’t catchen, it’s bad bait.
We were offering up a delectable and delicious raw calamari that day. But the funniest thing was my son dropped down a Sabiki rig to catch something to put on a balloon and he brought up 4 nice sized blackfish! What a blast!
“To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788
Tuna nut
If your still following this thread
If you were in Tolz in the 80s We have alot of the same friends , Jerry Gann , dirty dick noble for instance, worst day in SF history when they closed bad Tolz
As i was in 10thSFGA as well , 1st in OKi, 10th in Stuttgart, 7th at bragg, 5th in Irag, 10th in Colorado, and the school house of course. Name is Turcotte might ring a bell. I retired 2003, then went meat for hire
anyway I know all on here are most friendly water experienced and helpful, i was just enjoying the wayward thread and threw in.
We always did ducks from the 130s with motors as 30mi is a long way to paddle off shore the last 1500m was paddle, surface swim or subsurface , you know the deal. As for the nonmap reading folks
I’m sure you rememmber the jessica lynch debacle in early days of the war , well they were lost i rest my case on that one. No Sf guy relys soley on GPS you know that. I don’t on my boat either.
Hit me up w/ an e-mail if ya want to chat about the old days
Wow! Sir,that’s a resume’. Mine, not so glamorus. My dad wanted me to go to college after hs, but there was no way I was going to let HIM tell me what to do, so I joined the Army. Boy, did I show him. I got hit up by the airborne recuiter on the helo ride to the barracks after qualifing expert in basic. In jump school, got hit up by the SF recuiter to take the SF PT test. Smoked it and since I’d signed up for USAEUR tour, BAM! Bad Tolz 84-86, Reganomics, 3.50Mark/$. Life was great, 18, BMW cruising the autobaun, the BEER, the fraulines, the Rathskeller, and the Quad. We only did wet x into local lakes out of helo’s. We were still watching the East Germans. Never had the pleasure of a 30 mi ride w/4horse. kinda glad:smiley: Thank you for introducing yourself and not “Posing.” As for your point, a compass & chart and the ability to plot a course, nav, and return are skills I learned in the boy scouts. They’ve come in handy from time to time:wink:
Would love to give Destiny a ride…I’ve got a lucky rod[:0]
Tuna nut
If your still following this thread
If you were in Tolz in the 80s We have alot of the same friends , Jerry Gann , dirty dick noble for instance, worst day in SF history when they closed bad Tolz
As i was in 10thSFGA as well , 1st in OKi, 10th in Stuttgart, 7th at bragg, 5th in Irag, 10th in Colorado, and the school house of course. Name is Turcotte might ring a bell. I retired 2003, then went meat for hire
anyway I know all on here are most friendly water experienced and helpful, i was just enjoying the wayward thread and threw in.
We always did ducks from the 130s with motors as 30mi is a long way to paddle off shore the last 1500m was paddle, surface swim or subsurface , you know the deal. As for the nonmap reading folks
I’m sure you rememmber the jessica lynch debacle in early days of the war , well they were lost i rest my case on that one. No Sf guy relys soley on GPS you know that. I don’t on my boat either.
Hit me up w/ an e-mail if ya want to chat about the old days
Tuna nut
If your still following this thread
If you were in Tolz in the 80s
“Destiny” 31ft Contender Manning SC
Were you ever in Bad Tolz? Sorry, I don’t have a pics of me landing in piles of cow stinky on the Karen DZ or me stumbling up Patton Strassa back to Flint. I don’t recongnize any names you’ve dropped, but there’s alot I don’t remember from back then. The names that come to mind are Alderman, Dodd, Conover, and Omasta. Was dirty dick always jumping through the apex loop or landing in the quad??? Purdy was the CSM who ran the PLC school forever. So sorry that the Kanserne is a shopping mall now, but hey, Devins is high end condo’s. We’re trying to get a bunch of guys who were there in the 80’s back together, but scheduling, wives, money, and work have killed all efforts. Certianly, a beautiful place to serve and I would love to go back for a visit. It’s been 22 years, wow!
Rick I’ve shoved my jump boots so far down my throat I think I schitting shoe polish. I’ve embarrassed myself with my comments directed towards you and am very regrettably sorry. Boys and girls, when Mr. Turcotte decides to impart his experience on us, you should sit down, shut up, and put your listening ears on. I shall not open my non-qualified puke hole again. Seriously!
700 hits since my last post and not a peep, I’d say pretty well trained bunch we got here. Not even for Stank Bait or one of his relatives had a piffy smarta$$ comment. We are indeed fortunate to have Rick onboard. I need to do my background checks before trying to draw an eSF’r out in the open. Turns out I put my dich in a pile of fire ants. I was just a kid when I served and am glad that I had guys like Rick and these ordinary joe’s training me. They are usually very low key and only speak of their doings amongst themselves, hence my interest in finding out who Rick was. I shall be more discrete in the future. they may look ordinary, but trust me, they eat chains and spit bullets.
HALO training, by far the most exciting part of my service
In a beautiful place like this
I got out of the Army just after I turned 21, finally old enough for a beer…
MP- Sorry for the Hi-jacking:face_with_head_bandage:
Most everyone has sent their comments to me, however, I was not the guy lost, looking for the commanche, dropping anchor on someone else’s hole, dragging his young family along for the adventure.
I got hit up by the airborne recuiter on the helo ride to the barracks after qualifing expert in basic. In jump school, got hit up by the SF recuiter to take the SF PT test. Smoked it and since I’d signed up for USAEUR tour, BAM! Bad Tolz 84-86, Reganomics, 3.50Mark/$. Life was great, 18, BMW cruising the autobaun, the BEER, the fraulines, the Rathskeller, and the Quad. We only did wet x into local lakes out of helo’s. We were still watching the East Germans. Never had the pleasure of a 30 mi ride w/4horse. kinda glad:smiley: Thank you for introducing yourself and not “Posing.” As for your point, a compass & chart and the ability to plot a course, nav, and return are skills I learned in the boy scouts. They’ve come in handy from time to time:wink:
