maybe the tag is too heavy for the smaller fish and it makes them topple over [:0]
Proline 201WA
Aloha 24ft pontoon (LooneyToon)
Old Town stern with 7.5 johnson
Not sure why but the fish at Bushy are mostly tagged in the belly. None of the Orange DNR belly tags I have seen appear to heal. Caught 3 in the last few weeks. 2 belly and one dorsal, the only tag that was healed was the Yellow dorsal fin tag.
Most of the reds I have caught with belly tags had wounds such as the picture here.
There are many different types of tags, each applied in a slightly different manner. Recreational fishermen are given several different types of tags, including nylon darts, stainless steel darts, and T-bar (applied with the tagging gun) tags. All of these tags do indeed go in the fish’s back. SCDNR, during our sampling, applies 2 types of tags to red drum: stainless anchor tags and internal anchor tags. Stainless steel anchor tags are used in larger red drum (over 22 inches) and internal anchor tags go into smaller fish (if you are familiar with the stainless anchor tags, then you will understand why we don’t use them in small fish - they are big tags). Internal anchor tags have a flat plastic oval attached to the base of the tag. A small cut is made in the abdomen of the fish, and the disk (the “internal anchor”) is carefully inserted into the fish. As the fish heals, it wraps the anchor in tissue and it then stays in the fish virtually forever. These internal anchor tags are not used in the angler tagging program because they are more expensive than nylon darts and T-bar tags and require more expertise and training to be applied correctly. We have done extensive testing with both tag for retention in the fish and potential adverse health effects on the fish. While both tags seem to be slightly harder on the fish than nylon darts or T-bars, those effects are minimal when applied by trained personnel, and both tags are retained significantly better in the fish.
Hope you are going to report those tags!!
John
good info JA, thanks for the details.
but that doesn’t explain why those external tags are in the abdomen. any idea why/how that may have happened?
edit: nevermind, i re-read your post and i understand now.
Proline 201WA
Aloha 24ft pontoon (LooneyToon)
Old Town stern with 7.5 johnson
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Originally posted by TheMechanicgood info JA, thanks for the details.
but that doesn’t explain why those external tags are in the abdomen. any idea why/how that may have happened?
Proline 201WA
Aloha 24ft pontoon (LooneyToon)
Old Town stern with 7.5 johnson
We gonna have to call in Barbawang on this. JAInSC skirted the question.
basically what he said, from what i interpreted, is that DNR DOES indeed tag in the abdomen on smaller fish, using the “internal anchor” design. All of the tags given to recreational fisherman are applied in the dorsal area.
Proline 201WA
Aloha 24ft pontoon (LooneyToon)
Old Town stern with 7.5 johnson
How do you think JA found this? Smaller fish, smaller tag.
I duck hunted and then went out for oysters and clams this weekend to keep the cabin fever at bay. Stump seems to be doing well. Lately looking like a lot of folks might should go outside for a while!
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Originally posted by barbawangHow do you think JA found this? Smaller fish, smaller tag.
I duck hunted and then went out for oysters and clams this weekend to keep the cabin fever at bay. Stump seems to be doing well. Lately looking like a lot of folks might should go outside for a while!
I don’t understand…“How do you think JA found this? Smaller fish, smaller tag.”
The abdominal placement of the tag is the question…not the size of the fish.
JA-“A small cut is made in the abdomen of the fish, and the disk (the “internal anchor”) is carefully inserted into the fish. As the fish heals, it wraps the anchor in tissue and it then stays in the fish virtually forever. These internal anchor tags are not used in the angler tagging program because they are more expensive than nylon darts and T-bar tags and require more expertise and training to be applied correctly. We have done extensive testing with both tag for retention in the fish and potential adverse health effects on the fish. While both tags seem to be slightly harder on the fish than nylon darts or T-bars, those effects are minimal when applied by trained personnel, and both tags are retained significantly better in the fish.”
So this is an “internal anchor tag” that has recently been placed and the “hole” will heal up?
IF so, I retract the “stupidity” remark. I’m all for the science involved and the work by the DNR.
If the “hole” in that fish has been there for a while, like months, I would suggest it isn’t healthy for the fish. Probably not much better on a porpoises anus trying to stool that tag.
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Originally posted by mdaddy The abdominal placement of the tag is the question....not the size of the fish.So this is an “internal anchor tag” that has recently been placed and the “hole” will heal up?
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Yes, smaller and less invasive placement than the stainless internal anchor tag that goes on the dorsal surface of larger fish. Lack of fouling on that particular tag indicates it hasnt been in the water very long, and that incision is likely still in the process of healing.
My confusing quote was meant to indicate that I brought in our state’s tagging expert since I felt he was more qualified to address these questions.
Now, back to cetacean anuses and dorsoventral tag migration…
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Originally posted by barbawangdorsoventral tag migration…
Thanks for that 
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40 said it rotated down there. Is he right or is he talkin outta his anus?
Come on, Pea. Ain’t no tag gonna rotate from back to ace.
I got my ear pierced once…it has since moved down to my elbow, so I think I might take it out now.
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Originally posted by JAinSCThere are many different types of tags, each applied in a slightly different manner. Recreational fishermen are given several different types of tags, including nylon darts, stainless steel darts, and T-bar (applied with the tagging gun) tags. All of these tags do indeed go in the fish’s back. SCDNR, during our sampling, applies 2 types of tags to red drum: stainless anchor tags and internal anchor tags. Stainless steel anchor tags are used in larger red drum (over 22 inches) and internal anchor tags go into smaller fish (if you are familiar with the stainless anchor tags, then you will understand why we don’t use them in small fish - they are big tags). Internal anchor tags have a flat plastic oval attached to the base of the tag. A small cut is made in the abdomen of the fish, and the disk (the “internal anchor”) is carefully inserted into the fish. As the fish heals, it wraps the anchor in tissue and it then stays in the fish virtually forever. These internal anchor tags are not used in the angler tagging program because they are more expensive than nylon darts and T-bar tags and require more expertise and training to be applied correctly. We have done extensive testing with both tag for retention in the fish and potential adverse health effects on the fish. While both tags seem to be slightly harder on the fish than nylon darts or T-bars, those effects are minimal when applied by trained personnel, and both tags are retained significantly better in the fish.
Hope you are going to report those tags!!John
In my humble opinion based on the 8 or so tagged fish I have caught, the belly tags look like crap and the dorsal tags heal well and look healthy.
I wont keep a fish with an open infection, maybe this is part of the plan and influences if t
Stump,
30 fish day in bushy is pretty sweet.
Thanks for the report and pics.
StumpNocker, thanks for the post and great catching. The fact that you took two pictures of the tag stimulated the conversation. I reckon you were wondering as well.
Barbawang brought in the big guns and the mystery is solved…thanks to the existence of this forum.
I still have reservations about the passage of the tag through a pig fishes intestinal tract.
If you read any of the article I posted, I found this interesting:
“In the past, researchers have attempted to accurately estimate reporting for marked animals in a number of ways. Some resource agencies have had creel clerks secretly implant tags into recreational anglers’ creel during interviews, and others have conducted formal reward studies. For example, in Texas (TX), recreational anglers reported only 28% of a number of species of estuarine and marine finfish surreptitiously tagged by creel clerks (Mat lock, 1981). A small-scale study during which red drum were surreptitiously tagged in Georgia (GA) also revealed low reporting levels (55%)(Woodward2).”
Surreptitiously ???
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I got my ear pierced once....it has since moved down to my elbow, so I think I might take it out now.
At least its not a Prince Albert.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”, but really, who cares?
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Originally posted by JAinSCThere are many different types of tags, each applied in a slightly different manner. Recreational fishermen are given several different types of tags, including nylon darts, stainless steel darts, and T-bar (applied with the tagging gun) tags. All of these tags do indeed go in the fish’s back. SCDNR, during our sampling, applies 2 types of tags to red drum: stainless anchor tags and internal anchor tags. Stainless steel anchor tags are used in larger red drum (over 22 inches) and internal anchor tags go into smaller fish (if you are familiar with the stainless anchor tags, then you will understand why we don’t use them in small fish - they are big tags). Internal anchor tags have a flat plastic oval attached to the base of the tag. A small cut is made in the abdomen of the fish, and the disk (the “internal anchor”) is carefully inserted into the fish. As the fish heals, it wraps the anchor in tissue and it then stays in the fish virtually forever. These internal anchor tags are not used in the angler tagging program because they are more expensive than nylon darts and T-bar tags and require more expertise and training to be applied correctly. We have done extensive testing with both tag for retention in the fish and potential adverse health effects on the fish. While both tags seem to be slightly harder on the fish than nylon darts or T-bars, those effects are minimal when applied by trained personnel, and both tags are retained significantly better in the fish.
Hope you are going to report those tags!!
John
Definitely going to report them. Thanks for the reply, looks like the mystery is solved!
Thanks Friogatto, it was a hot 2+ hours then it shut down like a switch. Love those days!
DF, I had a gf in college that almost had me talked into getti