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Originally posted by Blueskyguy"some say: the 243 is a little light, the 270 is hard to find, the '06 isn’t good for long range, then there is the 25-06, the 7mm’s, "
Bluesky guy… Most say take a head or neck shot with a .243 it is not too light for that. .270 hard to find? no it is not. who says a 3006 is not good for long range? what do you think is long range? So you mention 25-06 and 7mm… what’s your thoughts?
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Mr Fred - my point is simply that these are mostly opinions, some are fact based and some aren’t, my sentence started with “some say”, not my opinion but what others have said, again some may be true some not
whatever someone owns is almost always the “best”, no one would spend that much $$ then say it sux, thus why ask?
my thought on long range is: based on the ability of the shooter, thus no defined distance, practice and learn the ballistics of the stuff and the hunter can define thier own “long distance”
25-06, 7mm, etc. - don’t know enough about them to have an opinion
if I was thinking about a gun and had this question, I’d read and research on the INet, plenty of good expert factual info available, my original post was meant as a humorous reply
Pioneer 197SF
[/quote]Didn’t mean to come off as an ass.
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by Blueskyguy"some say: the 243 is a little light, the 270 is hard to find, the '06 isn’t good for long range, then there is the 25-06, the 7mm’s, "
Bluesky guy… Most say take a head or neck shot with a .243 it is not too light for that. .270 hard to find? no it is not. who says a 3006 is not good for long range? what do you think is long range? So you mention 25-06 and 7mm… what’s your thoughts?
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Mr Fred - my point is simply that these are mostly opinions, some are fact based and some aren’t, my sentence started with “some say”, not my opinion but what others have said, again some may be true some not
whatever someone owns is almost always the “best”, no one would spend that much $$ then say it sux, thus why ask?
my thought on long range is: based on the ability of the shooter, thus no defined distance, practice and learn the ballistics of the stuff and the hunter can define thier own “long distance”
25-06, 7mm, etc. - don’t know enough about them to have an opinion
if I was thinking about a gun and had this question, I’d read and research on the INet, plenty of good expert factual info available, my original post was meant as a humorous reply
Pioneer 197SF
Didn’t mean to come off as an ass.
[/quote]no problem it’s all good
Pioneer 197SF
I’ll weigh in on this. I probably have Rifles chambered in every caliber mentioned so far (I collect a bit) but by far my favorite are my 30-06 Savage 111 custom, and my Marlin 30-30.
For 200 yards and shorter I use the marlin - fits on a 4 wheeler nicely, no worries about it overhanging and getting caught on trees etc…
For 200-500 I use the 30-06. Generally speaking I wont shoot out to 600+ unless it’s just target shooting.
As far as what should you buy really depends on your budget. I would say if you get just about any of the calibers mentioned, and you get a decent scope, adjustable trigger, and some range time you will have an excellent rifle for anything you will come across in the south eastern US. Don’t buy into all the folks that will tell you a “Good” scope is always Zeiss or Leupold etc. there are other good scopes out there for far less money for a first rifle. I would recommend you look at a Savage 111 or Remington 700 rifle and maybe a Nikon Monarch or Buckmaster scope (Unless you can afford more!). The Savage 111 with the accu-trigger/stock will give you a great rifle with a free floating barrel, adjustable trigger, decent stiff stock (Not great, just decent) paired with a relatively common 3.5-9 or 4.5-14 Nikon scope with good optics will probably set you back about $800 somewhere in that range. Swap that Savage for the Remington, and the Nikon for a Zeiss or Leupold and you are probably closer to the $1500-2000 range. The difference - name preference and maybe shot groupings 1/2 inch tighter at 400 yards. Both rifles you will eventually want to re-barrel from the stock sporter barrel to a heavy varmint barrel, re-stock, change trigger, glass bead, etc. etc. etc… If you will only have 1 rifle, or you really really like your rifle, your basically picking out an “Action” and the barrel, trigger, stock etc. are all gravy.
Also this is a great write up on caliber comparison that you might want to read.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/myth_busting_calibers.htm
I should note too that the
I love my 25-06!! You will find more oppinions on here than you have time to read, most good. Bottom line, you need to pick what works for the hunting you will do.
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243 is a good caliber for shorter ranges i shot a relatively large buck in the shoulder at the beging of season at about 150 knocked him down and i looked away and i looked back he got up and ran off never found it. i have seen some of the deer shot at my hunt club with a 270 using hornady american white tail ammo and the blood trail was great you cant go wrong with a 270 or a 30-06.
but thats just my takeon the subject.
A .243 will reliably kill any whitetail deer anywhere to 500yds provided the “hunter” puts the bullet where it is supposed to go and uses a quality bullet. Flame away but a Corloct isn’t a quality bullet, they are cheap cup and core bullets mass produced and sold cheaply. I keep hearing people say I love a Corloct they have worked for me for years. I’ve heard numerous report of lost deer over the last few years and when I ask they were shooting Corlocts, but it wasn’t their fault, the gun’s fault or the bullet’s fault. Must have been shooting those deer with armored skins.
I’ve shot a couple of big pigs that had either Corlocts or those cheap Winchester bullets lodged in their shields along with a few buckshot pellets. Conversely Nosler BT’s get a bad rep from some but in 20+ years of shooting them I have lost one deer to a fluke where the bullet didn’t expand on entry or exit passing between two ribs on either side. The rest have dropped within 50 yds usually with big leaking holes in them, no matter whether it was a 7mmMag, 7mm08, 30’06, .308, .243, .300Wby or .280 Rem.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
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Originally posted by saltydog235A .243 will reliably kill any whitetail deer anywhere to 500yds provided the “hunter” puts the bullet where it is supposed to go and uses a quality bullet. Flame away but a Corloct isn’t a quality bullet, they are cheap cup and core bullets mass produced and sold cheaply. I keep hearing people say I love a Corloct they have worked for me for years. I’ve heard numerous report of lost deer over the last few years and when I ask they were shooting Corlocts, but it wasn’t their fault, the gun’s fault or the bullet’s fault. Must have been shooting those deer with armored skins.
I’ve shot a couple of big pigs that had either Corlocts or those cheap Winchester bullets lodged in their shields along with a few buckshot pellets. Conversely Nosler BT’s get a bad rep from some but in 20+ years of shooting them I have lost one deer to a fluke where the bullet didn’t expand on entry or exit passing between two ribs on either side. The rest have dropped within 50 yds usually with big leaking holes in them, no matter whether it was a 7mmMag, 7mm08, 30’06, .308, .243, .300Wby or .280 Rem.
Maybe it was bad luck but I’ve had three deer shot with Nosler barely any blood and pin hole entry and exit. Had to use my dog on two of them to help find. I love the core locloc and have not had a deer run past 30 yards with them. Never had a pig go over ten yards. As for armadillo’s I guess I have had some pretty cool effects from the Nosler BT’s
If I was competition shooting … no way, my best grouping with them is consistently around 1" - 1 1/2" @ 100yards. I rarely take head shots so it’s no big deal for me.
I don’t really feel the need to explain more than everyone else has, but .270 gets my vote. Seems to be extremely easy to find. Gets the job done
Reel-Boy
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by saltydog235A .243 will reliably kill any whitetail deer anywhere to 500yds provided the “hunter” puts the bullet where it is supposed to go and uses a quality bullet. Flame away but a Corloct isn’t a quality bullet, they are cheap cup and core bullets mass produced and sold cheaply. I keep hearing people say I love a Corloct they have worked for me for years. I’ve heard numerous report of lost deer over the last few years and when I ask they were shooting Corlocts, but it wasn’t their fault, the gun’s fault or the bullet’s fault. Must have been shooting those deer with armored skins.
I’ve shot a couple of big pigs that had either Corlocts or those cheap Winchester bullets lodged in their shields along with a few buckshot pellets. Conversely Nosler BT’s get a bad rep from some but in 20+ years of shooting them I have lost one deer to a fluke where the bullet didn’t expand on entry or exit passing between two ribs on either side. The rest have dropped within 50 yds usually with big leaking holes in them, no matter whether it was a 7mmMag, 7mm08, 30’06, .308, .243, .300Wby or .280 Rem.
Maybe it was bad luck but I’ve had three deer shot with Nosler barely any blood and pin hole entry and exit. Had to use my dog on two of them to help find. I love the core locloc and have not had a deer run past 30 yards with them. Never had a pig go over ten yards. As for armadillo’s I guess I have had some pretty cool effects from the Nosler BT’s
If I was competition shooting … no way, my best grouping with them is consistently around 1" - 1 1/2" @ 100yards. I rarely take head shots so it’s no big deal for me
160gr Speer grandslams with a tumble in moly for the 280. Kills stuff dead. 405gn hotcores for the 45-70. Last one got a 50gn vmax to the lid from the 223. I have seen many fall from a 22 hornet. (I would like to find a nice hornet to add to my collection) I have also seen a friend mutilate a buck with 5 shots from a 300 mag and the deer was still trying to go. Shot placement > ft lbs energy.
Hydra-Sports 22 Bay Sport
225 Rude
.270
do you have any friends (or forum members) that would let you try a few rounds through one of their rifles so you can shoot before you buy? if i wasnt 4 hours south id def let ya use the 30-06 but dont think you wanna make that trip lol.
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Originally posted by saltydog235quote:
Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by saltydog235A .243 will reliably kill any whitetail deer anywhere to 500yds provided the “hunter” puts the bullet where it is supposed to go and uses a quality bullet. Flame away but a Corloct isn’t a quality bullet, they are cheap cup and core bullets mass produced and sold cheaply. I keep hearing people say I love a Corloct they have worked for me for years. I’ve heard numerous report of lost deer over the last few years and when I ask they were shooting Corlocts, but it wasn’t their fault, the gun’s fault or the bullet’s fault. Must have been shooting those deer with armored skins.
I’ve shot a couple of big pigs that had either Corlocts or those cheap Winchester bullets lodged in their shields along with a few buckshot pellets. Conversely Nosler BT’s get a bad rep from some but in 20+ years of shooting them I have lost one deer to a fluke where the bullet didn’t expand on entry or exit passing between two ribs on either side. The rest have dropped within 50 yds usually with big leaking holes in them, no matter whether it was a 7mmMag, 7mm08, 30’06, .308, .243, .300Wby or .280 Rem.
Maybe it was bad luck but I’ve had three deer shot with Nosler barely any blood and pin hole entry and exit. Had to use my dog on two of them to help find. I love the core locloc and have not had a deer run past 30 yards with them. Never had a pig go over ten yards. As for armadillo’s I guess I have had some pretty cool effects from the Nosler BT’s
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I love my 7mm08. I’ve killed deer with a .243, .270, and 30-06, for me the 7mm08 is perfect for the deer around here. Plus there is very little recoil…