Gee, I wonder if the 2 million guides constantly hammering them have impacted the spottails? Want to help the spottails and other inshore species? Get rid of a ton of guides by instituting a hefty commercial license fee. As it is, they make their living off a public resource and pay next to nothing for the privilege.
If at first you don’t succeed, fish and fish again…
Oh boy. Thanks for breathing new life back into this thread. You think they pay next to nothing?
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Originally posted by bangstickSadly, I can’t say I’ve been fishing in the salt as long as most of you. I’ve been doing it for the last 12 years or so but it wasn’t until the last 5 years that I’ve actually started focusing on saltwater (inshore) fishing and putting in a considerable amount of time on the water. Hell, now I spend more time in the salt than in fresh and yet I live 5 minutes from Lake Murray. I credit my banner seasons of late to time on the water and a select few on this site being very gracious with their knowledge/experience.
I say that to touch on Optiker’s point. I don’t have the sample size that most of you do that would give me a deeper perspective on the matter. That said, I trust a few people on here and I trust the biologists at the DNR and if they tell me an issue exists and needs to be addressed, I believe/trust them and will follow suit and do what needs to be done.
“…be a man and PM me.”
I trust Optiker a lot more than the DNR or scientists.
I’m all for the changes. The fish around any of the populated coastal areas get hammered day in a day out. Maybe they wise up and move to areas that get less pressure, but fish only do 3 things: eat, breed and try not to get eaten.
As many have mentioned, no one’s family is going to starve if they don’t keep trout or can’t keep more than 2 reds. If they are, we’ll put together a collection so they can make a Costco run.
2016 Boston Whaler 230 Vantage w/300 Merc Verado
If the 6 per day boat limit applies to guides, how would that work with 2 half-day charters in the same day?
If the morning charter has 3 anglers and each person wants to keep 2 slot fish, does that result in the afternoon charter not being able to keep any?
RBF
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Originally posted by Richard Beer FrothIf the 6 per day boat limit applies to guides, how would that work with 2 half-day charters in the same day?
If the morning charter has 3 anglers and each person wants to keep 2 slot fish, does that result in the afternoon charter not being able to keep any?
RBF
I’m surprised you’re awake this early ole man. You trying to start somethin?
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Originally posted by PeaPodquote:
Originally posted by Richard Beer FrothIf the 6 per day boat limit applies to guides, how would that work with 2 half-day charters in the same day?
If the morning charter has 3 anglers and each person wants to keep 2 slot fish, does that result in the afternoon charter not being able to keep any?
RBF
I’m surprised you’re awake this early ole man. You trying to start somethin?
Not trying to start anythang… Since I am 97, just wondering how I’ll be able to wake up early for a morning charter, so as to not get screwed outta my fish if this applies to guides as well… RBF likes charters…
RBF
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Originally posted by bonecrusher I trust Optiker a lot more than the DNR or scientists. I'm all for the changes. The fish around any of the populated coastal areas get hammered day in a day out. Maybe they wise up and move to areas that get less pressure, but fish only do 3 things: eat, breed and try not to get eaten. As many have mentioned, no one's family is going to starve if they don't keep trout or can't keep more than 2 reds. If they are, we'll put together a collection so they can make a Costco run.2016 Boston Whaler 230 Vantage w/300 Merc Verado
No disrespect bonecrusher - you know we are friends. But, I personally trust the DNR and scientists very much. They base their viewpoint on fact, using data. My experience goes back just 12 years. There are many more on this site that I trust that have seen even more change over time than I have and are on the water a lot more than I am able to be. I truly believe that this is a natural reaction to increased pressure on a fixed resource that has natural ebbs and flows in population. With increased pressure, naturally the creel needs to be adjusted.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
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Originally posted by El BanditoGee, I wonder if the 2 million guides constantly hammering them have impacted the spottails? Want to help the spottails and other inshore species? Get rid of a ton of guides by instituting a hefty commercial license fee. As it is, they make their living off a public resource and pay next to nothing for the privilege.
If at first you don’t succeed, fish and fish again…
It would’ve been more responsible of you if you would’ve simply admitted you know absolutely nothing about the “2 million guides” and what it costs them to do what they do for a living than spout off such nonsense.
Not that I know all “2 million guides” or anywhere close to that for that matter but the ones I do know practice catch and release on their charters so they’re not “hammering” the redfish population.
There are far more recreational anglers on the water than there are guides/charter Captains. Sadly, an unacceptable number of those recreational anglers are both irresponsible and uneducated when it comes to proper fish handling/care and obeying daily limits. Thus, recreational anglers have a far greater negative impact on the redfish population. The recreational anglers I’m speaking of only care about themselves, not the resource. Guides/Charter Captains need a flourishing resource to be able to do what they do for a living and provide for their families. This fact alone gives the redfish more of a value to them than the average recreational angler. Recreational anglers fish for recreation (hence the name) but guides/charter Captains do what they do to make a living.
I know there are plenty of recreational anglers out there like Optiker and Ralph but sadly, they are the exception and not the rule.
“…be a man and PM me.”
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Originally posted by Optikerquote:
Originally posted by bonecrusher I trust Optiker a lot more than the DNR or scientists. I'm all for the changes. The fish around any of the populated coastal areas get hammered day in a day out. Maybe they wise up and move to areas that get less pressure, but fish only do 3 things: eat, breed and try not to get eaten. As many have mentioned, no one's family is going to starve if they don't keep trout or can't keep more than 2 reds. If they are, we'll put together a collection so they can make a Costco run.2016 Boston Whaler 230 Vantage w/300 Merc Verado
No disrespect bonecrusher - you know we are friends. But, I personally trust the DNR and scientists very much. They base their viewpoint on fact, using data. My experience goes back just 12 years. There are many more on this site that I trust that have seen even more change over time than I have and are on the water a lot more than I am able to be. I truly believe that this is a natural reaction to increased pressure on a fixed resource that has natural ebbs and flows in population. With increased pressure, naturally the creel needs to be adjusted.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
Well said. Amen!!
“…be a man and PM me.”
BS, sorta like this…
http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/12/men_busted_with_43_redfish_man.html
RBF
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Originally posted by Richard Beer FrothBS, sorta like this…
http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/12/men_busted_with_43_redfish_man.html
RBF
Exactly like that!
Perfect example of people with a complete and total disregard for the resource all while thinking they’re above the law. These same asshats would be the first and most vocal people to cry out against the DNR when they could no longer “fill the boat” with redfish as opposed to considering how their own actions may have impacted the resource.
That’s not to say those same scumbags don’t exist within the ranks of guides/charter Captains, because they do, but those people are fewer and further in between and they don’t last long in the world of guides/charter Captains.
“…be a man and PM me.”
quote:You know we're good! I was just joking that you're on the water more than any of the scientists are and if you say there's less fish, I know that's the truth.
Originally posted by Optikerquote:
Originally posted by bonecrusher I trust Optiker a lot more than the DNR or scientists. I'm all for the changes. The fish around any of the populated coastal areas get hammered day in a day out. Maybe they wise up and move to areas that get less pressure, but fish only do 3 things: eat, breed and try not to get eaten. As many have mentioned, no one's family is going to starve if they don't keep trout or can't keep more than 2 reds. If they are, we'll put together a collection so they can make a Costco run.2016 Boston Whaler 230 Vantage w/300 Merc Verado
No disrespect bonecrusher - you know we are friends. But, I personally trust the DNR and scientists very much. They base their viewpoint on fact, using data. My experience goes back just 12 years. There are many more on this site that I trust that have seen even more change over time than I have and are on the water a lot more than I am able to be. I truly believe that this is a natural reaction to increased pressure on a fixed resource that has natural ebbs and flows in population. With increased pressure, naturally the creel needs to be adjusted.
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
2016 Boston Whaler 230 Vantage w/300 Merc Verado
Decent read, and relevant. Thanks for sharing, RBF.
Sadly, some people are still going to believe DNR biologists don’t spend enough time on the water and don’t do enough research to collect enough data to make the proper management recommendations. For those people, their own biases and agendas prevent them from being able to see the facts.
“…be a man and PM me.”
I’m lucky to know and/or have met many of the scientists at DNR (barbawang, jtsnake, etc) and if you know them you will understand that they are very smart and really, really know their sh#$! Way more than the rest of us behind a keyboard 
1966 13’ Boston Whaler w/ Merc 25 4 stroke “Flatty”
www.eyestrikefishing.com #predatorsstriketheeye
have they outlawed gigging spottails yet? or is it banned only from Dec to Feb?
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Originally posted by P-Khave they outlawed gigging spottails yet? or is it banned only from Dec to Feb?
Is there a difference to preferring a legal catch limit from the use of a gig over the use of a live shrimp under a cork?
Yes
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by P-Khave they outlawed gigging spottails yet? or is it banned only from Dec to Feb?
Is there a difference to preferring a legal catch limit from the use of a gig over the use of a live shrimp under a cork?
wouldnt really know, i dont do either. but i would suspect that cork fisherman has a better chance of releasing alive any over or under sized fish as he can validate size with ruler. so he is going to be legal for sure
gigger has to rely on his eyesight for measurements. if the women they spawn with are indication of the quality of their eyesight, the giggers are going to fail often and kill a lot of illegal fish, particularly bigger ones
that last sentence is liquid internet gold