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Originally posted by Cracker LarryI’ve never heard of such a thing and don’t want any engine that requires all that! I’ll stick with Yamaha
Bingo!! What a pain.
There is a reason 4 strokes are hard to come by…
NN
If you want to see some E Tecs go to Mobile Bay Ala. they are the # 1 outboard there, they are 2 to one over Yamahas! I saw twins, trips, and quads.
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Originally posted by boatpoorIf you want to see some E Tecs go to Mobile Bay Ala. they are the # 1 outboard there, they are 2 to one over Yamahas! I saw twins, trips, and quads.
But hey, it is Alabama:sunglasses:.
NN
The last thing I’d want to do is buy twice as many spark plugs as I need just to change them and hope I get a few to work. I have enough spare parts sitting around I will never use. I am curious though as far as amount of hours an e-tech would last vs a four stroke. Considering neither abused and maintained as they should be. I’m sure there is a life cycle rating?
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Originally posted by tanksgtCould someone please give me just the readers digest version of what is plug indexing? I have never heard of such a thing.
Thank you
ZX
what Chris said + in race engines running dome pistons with VERY tight tolerances for lots of compression the piston will actually hit the electrode if not indexed toward the chamber floor.
In a normal engine You’d never know the difference even if you ran it on a dyno.
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Originally posted by jsadlerThe last thing I’d want to do is buy twice as many spark plugs as I need just to change them and hope I get a few to work. I have enough spare parts sitting around I will never use. I am curious though as far as amount of hours an e-tech would last vs a four stroke. Considering neither abused and maintained as they should be. I’m sure there is a life cycle rating?
Ok, I apologize but its time for my rant.
Statistically, about 75% of the spark plugs are going to work the first time, since 180 degrees of the hole is already acceptable, and the maximum and minimum torque are about 90 degrees apart. Also, if you have one that doesn’t fit quite right, you can swap it with a plug from another cylinder until you get it right. I think this “problem” is being grossly exaggerated.
I know someone who owns the Etec 150 and treats it like crap fishing and shrimping. He has over 1700 hours and hasn’t had it at the dealer since it was new.
There are other quality manufacturers out there other than Yamaha, but living in Charleston you wouldn’t know it. In many areas, Mercury is the only motor people will buy. I have a relative in Florida who retails and services Yamaha and Suzuki, and his customers pick Suzuki majority of the time, and he has very few problems with them.
Your experience with a product is going to come down to luck, care, and the quality of the person working on it… and for that reason you might want to stick to a Yamaha four stroke if you need a servicing dealer. Our best dealers seem to specialize in Yamaha. I do most of my own work, so it isn’t a big deal for me.
Not meaning to offend anyone, just my thoughts.
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherquote:
Originally posted by jsadlerThe last thing I’d want to do is buy twice as many spark plugs as I need just to change them and hope I get a few to work. I have enough spare parts sitting around I will never use. I am curious though as far as amount of hours an e-tech would last vs a four stroke. Considering neither abused and maintained as they should be. I’m sure there is a life cycle rating?
Ok, I apologize but its time for my rant.
Statistically, about 75% of the spark plugs are going to work the first time, since 180 degrees of the hole is already acceptable, and the maximum and minimum torque are about 90 degrees apart. Also, if you have one that doesn’t fit quite right, you can swap it with a plug from another cylinder until you get it right. I think this “problem” is being grossly exaggerated.
I know someone who owns the Etec 150 and treats it like crap fishing and shrimping. He has over 1700 hours and hasn’t had it at the dealer since it was new.
There are other quality manufacturers out there other than Yamaha, but living in Charleston you wouldn’t know it. In many areas, Mercury is the only motor people will buy. I have a relative in Florida who retails and services Yamaha and Suzuki, and his customers pick Suzuki majority of the time, and he has very few problems with them.
Your experience with a product is going to come down to luck, care, and the quality of the person working on it… and for that reason you might want to stick to a Yamaha four stroke if you need a servicing dealer. Our best dealers seem to specialize in Yamaha. I do most of my own work, so it isn’t a big deal for me.
Not meaning to of
What MWF said. Four stroke has more moving parts. I ran 2 stoke Yamahas/Optimax and presently have a 250 Suzuki 4 stroke. I got a better deal over the E-Tech and wanted to try a 4 stroke(presently 2years 0 problems).
IMO, the 4 stroke inherently will require more expertise for a novice mechanic. I also feel that all brands are pretty well built but I’ve found more corrosion of the steering yoke and salt water exhaust interface plate with Yamahas. The Suzuki has replacement anodes in the water passages that seem to help the corrosion issues. Maintenance is the key to longevity. Get a manual whatever motor.
If you keep your fuel/oil clean, service impeller, and stay away from E-10, you should get 5-10 years of service. When I get a new motor, I disconnect all electrical connections and electrical grease them. I also fog the entire engine.
For a pontoon boat, you may enjoy better performance from the 2 stroke…I’m sure there are performance numbers.
As far as indexing plugs…no big deal. I believe E techs don’t need a fuel compressor like optimax/Yamaha hpfi systems(IDK) which is a good trade off. My opinions only but you asked for thoughts.
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherquote:
Originally posted by jsadlerThe last thing I’d want to do is buy twice as many spark plugs as I need just to change them and hope I get a few to work. I have enough spare parts sitting around I will never use. I am curious though as far as amount of hours an e-tech would last vs a four stroke. Considering neither abused and maintained as they should be. I’m sure there is a life cycle rating?
Ok, I apologize but its time for my rant.
Statistically, about 75% of the spark plugs are going to work the first time, since 180 degrees of the hole is already acceptable, and the maximum and minimum torque are about 90 degrees apart. Also, if you have one that doesn’t fit quite right, you can swap it with a plug from another cylinder until you get it right. I think this “problem” is being grossly exaggerated.
I know someone who owns the Etec 150 and treats it like crap fishing and shrimping. He has over 1700 hours and hasn’t had it at the dealer since it was new.
There are other quality manufacturers out there other than Yamaha, but living in Charleston you wouldn’t know it. In many areas, Mercury is the only motor people will buy. I have a relative in Florida who retails and services Yamaha and Suzuki, and his customers pick Suzuki majority of the time, and he has very few problems with them.
Your experience with a product is going to come down to luck, care, and the quality of the person working on it… and for that reason you might want to stick to a Yamaha four stroke if you need a servicing dealer. Our best dealers seem to specialize in Yamaha. I do most of my own work, so it isn’t a big deal for me.
Not meaning to of