The average fisherman doesn’t catch the limit of any fish out there.
With the price of gas an the limit"s on all the fish in the ocean why not just outlaw fishing altogether? Then ever one could sit on land an look at there boats.
The GOV. seem to have that in mind.
Yes thanks for keeping us informed whether it be good or bad news. I personally think 15 is excessive for a recreational fisherman whether they are gigging or traditional hook and line. Bit that may just be because I’ve never got that many in a day. But if several boats put on at every landing around town and limited out on big flounder don’t yall think that would have an impact? Personally I’m ecstatic if I put 4 flatties on my boat in a day(most I’ve done) and can’t eat more that at a time with 5 people eaten em, and I would never keep 15 of any inshore fish, that is a crazy amount. Also while necessarily I don’t agree on tightening the noose, er I mean limits on a fish that’s supposedly increasing, I’d rathe see a proactive regulation rather than a reactive “solution” like the BSB . While I certainly wasn’t around years ago for the good ole days, is like to see a thriving fishery for me and my kids and my children’s children.
justretired,
You got that right. The gov lately really likes telling us what to do and how to live our lives more and more. I guess if you voted for change, you got it in the way of executive orders. On the flip side, I don’t think 15 flounder per day is too many. It is just not possible for a person to catch 15 flounder per day EVERYDAY. That is unsustainable and unreasonable–weather alone will not allow it. Commercial fisherman could do that with methods the recreational fisherman is not allowed to utilize. I think the people like us on this forum do more for preserving and protecting the resources than any commercial fisherman–we do it mainly for fun, the commercial fisherman does it for money. Catch and release has evolved just like quality deer management has evolved. The difference is there are no guys out there killing deer by the thousands for the supermarket. Although it is not going to happen, take the commercial fisherman out of the picture and we would have more fish than ever. But that is a global problem too…heck, just stop Japan’s fishing industry and sushi markets for a couple of years and we would have Bluefin Tuna all over the place again. Instead, the Bluefin Tuna is struggling. The oceans are being raped, and it is not because of the preponderance of recreational fisherman.
I’ll defend my 15 flounder NOT being too many statement before I go. 30 flounder in a night is alright. I prefer the 40 per boat. Why? I can go out and get a good mess of flounder and put them up a couple of times in the summer. Now, I have to do it more often and burn more gas to do the same thing–in my mind, due to the commercial raping of our oceans. People want fish? Good…limit the commercial fisherman and raise the price in the supermarkets. It should not cost me more to go get fish on my own than is does to go to the grocery store and buy them. Just kinda how I feel about it. Went on a little long, but thanks for reading if you bothered. I enjoy finding out this kind of information o
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Originally posted by pitcherI’m all for eating fish, but too many people have the mindset that they have to fill the freezer or keep everything that they can stick a hook into. The population is growing, and pressure on our resources is only going to keep growing. To me it’s smart to head off a future crash in a fishery by tightening things up before numbers drop precipitously.
Nailed it.
My unscientific example is pictures of fish my father, uncles, and grandfather caught years ago. They used to haul in huge stringers on the regular. I think lower bag limits are fine. Apparently the rest of the House agrees.
If your father, uncles and grandfather were like mine, everyone of those fish got eaten and enjoyed. I miss those fish fries, every time I bring up having one, mom just say:" Son, you know all that fried food isn’t good for you or your dad".
My Unscientific take is we may have more people fishing, but I don’t think we have more people taking fish home. My unscientific take is I’ve been more lately with people and they don’t keep much of anything including me. The biggest pressure I see is massive numbers of people snagging and bragging and releasing, especially in the hot summer months. Wonder what the mortality rate is? I think there should be a limit on catch and release. I know everything I just said doesn’t really relate to Flounder… but it is about fishing.
Skeeter…Answer this for me…If us bad commercial fisherman are killing the flounder fishing here, how in the hell is the flounder fishing off the chain all along North Carolina, when they have the most intensive flounder fishery along the entire east coast? Did you know that we don’t even have a commercial flounder fishery here, it is all bycatch (not talking about gigging). North Carolina has an inshore pound net season, and an offshore net season, yet you can go to the beaches at Carolina beach and catch the heck out of them.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Mother nature does a great job at protecting the flounder. I’ve only been able to gig about 6 times thus far. Between work, wife working, 3 kids, etc. Well, it was too windy or raining all 6 times. Therefore, there are 240 more flounder hanging around the Charleston area. I’m all for lower limits. Then,I could use a smaller cooler.
if the average person cannot go out and catch a limit of a fish that has limits on the occassional basis…hook and line, then the stocks are not in good shape.
flounder need the help…but it would better come in the form of a 5 per person and a max 20 per boat limit.
and for those that cry about limits messing up their fishing…learn to catch different fish.
a personal bag limit of everything listed that just one fisherman can legally take home per day of trout, flounder, redfish, black drum and sheepshead is absolutley absurd and insanley inflated.
sells, flounder catches directley correlate to commercial shrimping…the catches are higher on years that the boats are held back and cut loose later… yell and scream “there’s no problem/commercial fishing isn’t impacting anything” but thats a sad sad lie.
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You little bugger…if you read the whole thread instead of just the title, you would have seen the very first thing I said was that the shrimp boats kill more flounder than all fisherman combined. There is no commercial flounder fishery in SC…it is ALL bycatch from other fisheries. So again, why is the flounder fishing still awesome in all of NC, where they have a huge inshore and offshore net fishery?
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by StretchArmStrongif the average person cannot go out and catch a limit of a fish that has limits on the occassional basis…hook and line, then the stocks are not in good shape.
What do you concider average person? I know a lot of average people that call themselves fishermen that couldn’t catch a cold. </font id=“red”>
flounder need the help…but it would better come in the form of a 5 per person and a max 20 per boat limit.
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and for those that cry about limits messing up their fishing…learn to catch different fish.
What other fish? I’d love to be able to take home 5 spot tail and 30 BSB 10" or better</font id=“red”>
a personal bag limit of everything listed that just one fisherman can legally take home per day of trout, flounder, redfish, black drum and sheepshead is absolutley absurd and insanley inflated.
I can honestly say that I have never taken a legal limit of all those fish you mention in a single day, as a matter of fact I don’t know anyone that has and I know a lot of fishermen.</font id=“red”>
Stretch, I just don’t follow your statements. ?
Sellsfish,
I have fished NC extensively when I was stationed there. I wouldn’t go as far to say NC has an Awesome flounder fishery. I’ll have to look up the numbers on the NC DNR website, but I am sure that their recreational fisherman limits are less than half of our limits in SC. Again, the recreational fisherman took a hit because of the commercial fisherman. Well, just looked it up…NC recreational fisherman can keep 6 flounder at 15". WOW! Only 6 flounder…it was 8 flounder when I was there 2 years ago.
And, I don’t think anyone would disagree that bycatch is a problem. I was very not thrilled with NC at all for their approach to fishing…especially since the creeks and rivers are lined with gill nets all over the place. NC has some serious political problems surrounding their fishery.
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I’m no scientist, but NC is definitely a different estuary than Charleston. May not be comparing apples and apples. They also have incredible large trout fishing there, as does Florida, yet we sit here in the middle doing backflips when we catch a 20" one.
I just don’t see how NC can be used to define our waters.
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Vinman,
I’m no scientist either, but I would bet it has something to do with the tides. For example, the NC tides in most inshore places generally only move 3-4 feet, and the entire Gulf of Mexico moves a maximum of 2.4 feet with a 12 hour tide. Our tides in SC move 5 plus feet on accident compared to those two. So, all the water in those areas are slower than ours. The New River in NC, for example, barely has any current at all. The state simply will not spend the money to open (dredge) the mouth of the river as it closes more and more each year (Political again).
When I fished for trout in FL, and Al, the bigger trout liked the coves with no current…especially under dock lights in the spring. It was difficult to even tell if the water was moving in the creeks in FL and AL. NC was almost the same. The water was just a little faster. Now, our water really moves compared to those states. I think it has something to do with the size of the average SC sea trout…at least the number of really big ones that make SC home anyway. I think the really big trout like lazy or slow water.
As far as Flounder in those places, the residents in those places (Gulf and NC) don’t always have to wait for the tide to be right to go flounder gigging at night. Most places in those areas will support flounder gigging at anytime. In SC, you have two weeks per month when the tide is low at night. Then, you have to hope the wind is not blowing like 40 he77 when you do get a chance to go gigging. My point is that they have more opportunity; therefore, they are limited further than us in the number of fish they can keep. NC again, is not a great fishery, and it is mismanaged by crooked politcians at every corner. Case in point, NC still allows gill nets in saltwater. There is not a single day you won’t be able to find gill nets all over a place you want to fish.
Any other ideas?
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