quote:Exactly. Even if it weren't drugs though. A thief is a thief. While I understand that a meth head has a higher level of desperation, I don't think that is known to be true for weed. If those kids weren't into drugs, they might be stealing your stuff to fund their pokemon collection. You never know.
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Originally posted by skinneejAs far as the kids who stole your stuff to fund weed… If they didn’t have weed, they would still have stolen your stuff to fund something else. I predict that crime would drop when legalizing weed.
Agree with you here. Probably just the type of kids they were. Meth, Coke, heavy painkillers, Heroin all cause a physical addiction. Because people don’t want to face the withdrawals they will go to great lengths (robbery, murder etc) to fund their addiction. A few kids from my high school traveled down that path…the potheads I knew didn’t.
PS sorry to hear your stuff was stolen TexasRed. Nothing worse than thief.
Palmer…I disagree about getting “just as altered as drinking”. Never seen somebody throwing up all night/next morning, completely blacking out, or losing their ability to control their bodily functions after smoking weed.
I would like to see a comparison of the negative impact on society with respect to healthcare costs and DEATH when comparing JUNK FOOD to any drug on the planet. I bet twinkies and ho-ho’s send more people into the hospital each year than coke and weed combined.
I don’t like or trust gupta. whatever he’s for, i’m probably against. [one of the Jesse Helms’ maxims?]
I like this HHIAngler guy.
I’ve never smoked it, but I’ve inhaled it thanks to some of the folks I used to hang out with. I’m not a drinker either. But I do know that nearly every one of the people whom I’ve known to be weed smokers were job-hoppers, freeloaders, irresponsible, and had attitude problems. (please read that carefully, I am not saying that this is true of all weed smokers).
I’m sure there are a bunch of my friends who smoked weed, and seemed to live responsible lives, but I was not aware of it. But the correlation between being a lazy pig and smoking weed is extremely high from every angle I can look at it. I have several adult family members now that think they are “entitled” to having life handed to them on a silver platter (and their parents don’t do a thing but cuss and spit to change it), they hop from one job to the next, fuss whine and cry when things don’t go their way, etc. And then they have the nerve to say that they smoke weed for “medical” reasons---- emotional stress. But their emotional stress is from family in-fighting over the lazy freeloaders.
This is THE definition of the weed smokers I used to hang with when I was in high school… except that I was not terribly different from them despite my lack of weed smoking.
The difference? I grew out of it. They didn’t, they still smoke weed, hop from job to job, and act like everyone owes them a living.
I cannot say that smoking weed CAUSES this, or if lazy deadbeats just gravitate toward smoking weed, but I am dead certain that it feeds the monster. The weed smokers whom I’ve taken to task over this all want to cite “Bill Gates” as a responsible weed smoker, and I remind them that they are not in the intellectual, financial, or skill ballpark of a man like Gates (and since when in heck is Bill Gates a model for morality???).
I am not at all confident that making it suddenly legal and more easily found won’t have a huge effect on folks who shy away from it because of it’s legality.
If we legalize it, we need to put extr
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Originally posted by EdistodanielJudging from my own experience, you can get wayyy more messed up on a night of hard drinking than you can on a night of hard smoking. Legalize and tax it.
As much as I despise weed and what I’ve seen it do to so many people, I have to agree with this. I have never heard of anyone dying from THC poisoning, but you hear of teens and frat guys dying from alcohol poisoning all too commonly.
I don’t think that is a good argument for legalizing it, but if we do legalize it, I agree, we should tax it, but we need to be certain that the tax dollars are dedicated very specifically to something constructive, rather than just giving our politicians a blank check.
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Originally posted by PalmerScottYou can get just as altered with weed as you can with alcohol. When I was younger, like high school/college students do, I got quite drunk a few times. Did it enough to figure out I did not much enjoy ‘drunk’ and really didn’t enjoy hangovers. Still, I like a good beer or two. So, I don’t see the harm in a drink and wouldn’t see the harm in a joint.
But,…
For me it comes down to a societal issue. Prohibition didn’t work. True. But, the reasons and logic behind the push to prohibition were completely sound. Alcohol is a poison. That’s why it gets you drunk. It impairs your brain in the immediate, damages it in the mid to long term and takes your liver with it, if/when abused. Weed does different but similar stuff if used regularly. (Maybe not quite as bad. Maybe so.)
Obviously, prohibition didn’t work. And, I’m glad. I like a good German wheat beer. But, back to the societal dynamic. In order for a society to function, it has to expect or require a certain level of function or responsibility of its members. A society can tolerate (probably needs) some recreational or irresponsible or aberrant behavior. But, if we get too much of it, the society begins to degrade. Less stability. Less productive. Less cohesive. Etc. Etc.
Currently, we allow alcohol under certain conditions. And, we pay a societal price for that. Many many people are injured or killed by those under the influence. Those who drink heavily damage themselves. Alcohol makes us stupid and we do stupid things. So, we limit it to older people and prohibit it in cars and, and, …
If we relax the limitations on the use of alcohol, we should expect more of that bad stuff to happen. We have enough history to see it works like that.
I think the liberal (classically liberal, not modern political liberal) relaxation of limits on other substances s
A lot of y’all are missing the point of the article. He’s saying doctors should be allowed to prescribe it to people who need it.
I am enjoying the recreational use debate.
By the way, back in 2007 and 2008 Obama said he would end the raids on the dispensaries in states that have legalized it, but he hasn’t.
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If it is impossible to overdose on it, then why should the government be allowed to tell citizens whether or not we can put it into our bodies. There is no reason why it is ok it smoke cigarettes and drink liquor but if you smoke a joint you are a criminal. It just doesnt make sense. I can agree with the fed gov keeping drugs like heroin and coke illegal as they can ruin a persons life very quickly. The worst thing weed can do is give you a criminal history to worry about. Sure, any smoke going into the lungs is bad but with th E cig techonology, you dont even have to inhale smoke. Not to mention, the medical uses for weed are endless. The reason everyone says that it should be taxed is becasue it gives them an easy position to hold as a reason to reform the law. I mean,our government desperatly needs money. Right? Why not collect something on all that weed being smoked?
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I tried it once or twice when I was 22 or 23. Got nothing out of it and never tried it or any other illegal recreational narcotic again. I’ve done plenty of drinking.
I see no reason why it shouldn’t be legal in a society where alcohol and nicotine are.
Making it legal would:
a. end the street level violent crime that happens around the sale and distribution of MJ
b. eliminate the need for thousands of arrests, court time and jail beds currently associated with it
c. assuming it was taxed (I can’t see why it would be different than alcohol or tobacco) it would increase revenue
d. free up police to do more productive things
I’ve never heard of anyone smoking themselves to death. I’ve heard of people drinking themselves to death.
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Isn’t pot practically legal anyway? For the LEOs on here, how much time and money are departments allocating to catch potheads? I’m out of the loop so I may be mistaken, but it seems like you have to get caught with weed as a result of being pulled over or searched for doing something else. Even when I was in college in the early 80s, I remember someone writing a letter to the editor because they were upset that the police wouldn’t send a patrol car out when she reported that her neighbor was smoking pot in the backyard. She said the dispatcher told her that if he wasn’t doing anything else wrong, then they had more important things to do. If you aren’t a basic screwup, what are the chances you will get busted with a quarter ounce of weed?
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There appears to be a big deal about teen use and abuse. Maybe the parents should look in to leaving all types of scrip drug sitting around which has become the childhood and teen drugs of choice for many reasons. They are free, they will kick your ass and readily available. Were is the law enforcement effort? War on drugs is the same chit from government as the war on poverty just keep it going and we will win it. Reminds me of Westmorland send me more troops and weapons and we will win. Texas how about those front line guys?
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Officers can issue a ticket for simple possession and do not have to take you to jail. It takes ten pounds for trafficking. That’s not personal use. Over an ounce is intent to distribute. All cops are different but not to many are scouring the streets looking for simple p… Kinda like catching toadfish. Not to say that some dont. Teenagers and young adults probably get cited the most… and Willie. Most people cited for it are usually already in trouble for something else or are using it in public. Just like any offense there has to be probable cause to investigate. I see most people get caught driving and getting stopped for a violation like speeding and the car reeks of weed or when officers get called to a call for service and someone has it in their pockets. I would say you probably have the same chances of getting in trouble for weed as you do with alcohol if your using it in public. I see people all the time get stopped and have open containers. There are so many variables that play into this topic and I have yard work to finish. Hope this helps a little.
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Originally posted by HoofArdedA lot of y’all are missing the point of the article. He’s saying doctors should be allowed to prescribe it to people who need it.
besides the recreational issue, I too am most fascinated with the medicinal side of this issue…sure parents used to rub whiskey on a teething child’s gums, but the true, scientific value of canabis on a variety of maladies cannot be denied…and I think that’s what Gupta is trying to say…let’s don’t necessarily focus on the criminal aspect of it before we discover all the medicinal benefits (or detractions) of it…
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from experience…Have not had to take a nexium or prilosec in over 2 years. Sleep ALL night without having to go pee a couple of times…The smoke of today is not the Panama Red or Maui wowie of the eighties. Todays smoke is very potent (15-30%THC), one or two hits of a “Lemon Cush” or a “Grape Ape” and all is well for 4-6 hours. No more paranoia, very little munchies, or any of the other bad side effects. And it is EVERYWHERE, I know more professionals that smoke than teens, it is in every occupation.
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You know they can treat those seizures -
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/health/charlotte-child-medical-marijuana
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Originally posted by sellsfish. And it is EVERYWHERE, I know more professionals that smoke than teens, it is in every occupation.
A lot of people have the misconception that everybody who smokes are lazy SOB’s who don’t work.
Weed = natural grown substance that has a calming effect and a milld “high”. Users are typically non violent, not out of control - not a burden on our society. Very litte if any proven physical addiction exists - easy habit to break.
Vs.
RX pain meds - vicodan, lortab, oxys… buy far the number one abused drug in the US, the #1 cause of drug overdose in the US, the #1 most perscribed medicine in the US - causes people to steal, assault, “go crazy” while high… Is one of the most addictive substances in the world, is one of the hardest addictions to break…
Both drugs have some valid medical uses.
Tell me why pain meds are legal and weed isnt? Its not hard for me to do the math and answer that question, but I would like to hear other perspectives.