Everyone gets SOME twist in the line during normal use of a spinning reel. However, in my opinion it’s highly unlikely that any standard design of spinning reel can ADD significant twist to the line under correct use. As line exits the spool on a cast or pulling drag, one twist in the line is created per spool coil. Then, during normal retrieve, that twist is again reversed. Therefore, there is a net gain of no additional twist. The only way additional twist is generated on a spinning reel is typically due to ANGLER issues from one of the following:
Twist was added during incorrectly spooling line
Reeling against the drag while fighting a fish
Terminal tackel is spinning during fishing (not even the most expensive swivel will prevent spinning of an poorly rigged/designed bait)
The following behaviors do not add twist but just introduce slack in the line that can instantly allow existing line twist to manifest itself as knots by causing it to double back on itself and cause an instant nightmare:
Casting into the wind and not feathering the spool at the end of the cast
Using the reel handle instead of manually flipping the bail
Some retrieves such as “walking the dog” that necessarily have a slack-tight-slack-tight retrieve
Reeling slack line back onto the reel at any time without pinching the line above the reel to add tension
Overfilling a reel which encourages loose coils jumping off of the spool
Using line to is too heavy (large diameter) for the rod/reel or terminal tackle
Using line to is too light (small diameter) for the rod/reel or terminal tackle
Using cheap, stiff line with bad memory characteristics
You also need to remember that doing online research (a.k.a Googling) “Penn Battle line twist” is never going to yield any legitimate results other than of those few people that are having the problem and are yelling about it online. Therefore, with Google searches, you will typically only get a self serving result. If you search for people that ar
However, for whatever reason, I am not seeing excessive wind knots when I use any of my other spinners. I also understand there are plenty out there not having issues, but for me, it wasn’t working.
I stopped by West Marine just yesterday and they were great and took it back under their “No Hassles” guarantee. Since it was a present, they gave me full credit and I will be getting another.
While looking at what I might want to get I see a Battle 2 just came out this month. I think I will give it a try.
Even though there are some seeds of truth in this post, the net result is total BS. Blaming ALL the complaints that this reel has received on operator error is ridiculous. The manufacturer even admits to the flaw. I take complete novices on many of my charters with light tackle, and they have next to ZERO problems with wind knots by utilizing QUALITY reels. Put a Battle 4000 in the hands of a professional with 10-15 lb. braid and a lure weighing 1/8-1/4 oz., and they will throw it in the drink after less than an hour.
BTW- Braid has no memory; therefor, there is no worry of putting the line on the spool the “wrong” way.
quote:Originally posted by Fishingaddict
Everyone gets SOME twist in the line during normal use of a spinning reel. However, in my opinion it’s highly unlikely that any standard design of spinning reel can ADD significant twist to the line under correct use. As line exits the spool on a cast or pulling drag, one twist in the line is created per spool coil. Then, during normal retrieve, that twist is again reversed. Therefore, there is a net gain of no additional twist. The only way additional twist is generated on a spinning reel is typically due to ANGLER issues from one of the following:
Twist was added during incorrectly spooling line
Reeling against the drag while fighting a fish
Terminal tackel is spinning during fishing (not even the most expensive swivel will prevent spinning of an poorly rigged/designed bait)
The following behaviors do not add twist but just introduce slack in the line that can instantly allow existing line twist to manifest itself as knots by causing it to double back on itself and cause an instant nightmare:
Casting into the wind and not feathering the spool at the end of the cast
Using the reel handle instead of manually flipping the bail
Some retrieves such as “walking the dog” that necessarily have a s
I have spooled numerous spinning reels. Actually attended several trade shows back when I was involved in the fishing tackle business. When spoiling a spinning reel on a line winding machine, the spool is actually removed and should turn in the same direction as the bulk spool. When loading a spinning reel while on a rod both spools should be stationary and the line should come off the bulk spool in a counter clockwise manner. That is why the label is on the side that it is with the line always going in the same direction. This is an industry standard and directly from Berkeley. So Fish, if you are going to go into a very detailed lesson about line twist, wind knots etc… Please make sure all of your googled info is correct.
There is one more potential problem that no one has mentioned. You say it was a combo. Is the rod matched to the reel? Are the guides large enough to allow for a clean line flow off the spool?
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
There is one more potential problem that no one has mentioned. You say it was a combo. Is the rod matched to the reel? Are the guides large enough to allow for a clean line flow off the spool?
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Actually, I did think about that in my first post:
“If I didn’t know there are probably thousands of these combos out there already I would swear the first eyelet diameter might be a bit small to allow the line to go freely through it.”
Never mentioned it here, but I did try it on another rod. It was a longer (8’) rod with similar eyelets, but the first one was further from the reel, so I thought that may help, but same results.
I spooled 15-20-30 lb braid. Power pro and fins wind tamer.
Still got wind knots.
I put a stradic on the same rod. No issues.
ALL of my reels other than the two battle 4000s work great.
I got occasional wind knots on some used diawa 2500 reels. Fixed it with new line roller bearings.
I fish all of them the same.
Battle 4000s aren’t built for continuous casting.
Mako 1901 Inshore-Honda 130
10% of the people catch 90% of the fish.
I spooled 15-20-30 lb braid. Power pro and fins wind tamer.
Still got wind knots.
I put a stradic on the same rod. No issues.
ALL of my reels other than the two battle 4000s work great.
I got occasional wind knots on some used diawa 2500 reels. Fixed it with new line roller bearings.
I fish all of them the same.
Battle 4000s aren’t built for continuous casting.
Mako 1901 Inshore-Honda 130
10% of the people catch 90% of the fish.