Lionfish....

Chef, I SERIOUSLY doubt Paul nor any of the regulars will rat you out to anyone. Don’t worry about that. Just more of a concern of those who do not post that read and like to stir up trouble. Unfortunately there are to many of those. Let us know what you find out about the regs. Not much we can harvest right now offshore. Would be nice to have something we can sell to pay these growing fuel prices.

I want to go the next calm day. We are out of lobster and the wife LOVES them. Got to keep the boss happy. :wink:


Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!

I would NEVER rat you out to DNR, but they along with DHEC read these boards. I am sure that your diver has a commercial saltwater license, but he MUST have a WHOLESALE license to sell to you. He can sell to any wholesaler with a commercial lic. Do not make the mistake I made a few years ago, by putting my business in the street, as DHEC read this site and came after me…not fun! If your diver is the same one that was suppose to supply Lucca with lionfish, I hope you have better luck than Lucca did!

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NMFS = No More Fishing Season

“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”

Again, I commend what you are trying, but it will definitely be a bit more difficult than a hook and line fishery. Lionfish hold so tight to structure that a fisherman has to just about drop a hook in his mouth to catch one. I would think that for a diver to want to risk getting stung that you would have to pay a premium for the meat, but maybe you could make up for that on the other end. I personally wouldn’t risk a sting for a $10 fish, but maybe if it was a $20 fish. Even so, I am so clumsy that it would only be a matter of time before I met the business end of the stinger.

Again, I hope it works out. I would love to see a market for them. As far as I can tell, they are not regulated by the SAFMC so they are free game. DNR shouldn’t even think about giving you a hard time about these as they would do best to encourage us to kill as many as possible.

In the past the DNR has had an agent dressed as a redneck fisherman go in the back door with a cooler full of fish & after the sale - a uniformed officer walked in the front door & made the case.

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Originally posted by skinneej

Again, I commend what you are trying, but it will definitely be a bit more difficult than a hook and line fishery. Lionfish hold so tight to structure that a fisherman has to just about drop a hook in his mouth to catch one. I would think that for a diver to want to risk getting stung that you would have to pay a premium for the meat, but maybe you could make up for that on the other end. I personally wouldn’t risk a sting for a $10 fish, but maybe if it was a $20 fish. Even so, I am so clumsy that it would only be a matter of time before I met the business end of the stinger.

Again, I hope it works out. I would love to see a market for them. As far as I can tell, they are not regulated by the SAFMC so they are free game. DNR shouldn’t even think about giving you a hard time about these as they would do best to encourage us to kill as many as possible.


I will do it for $19.95:wink:


Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!

We should all be willing to kill Lionfish, just for fun! It’s really the only fish I will say that about. Lionfish are an INVASIVE species, and they do an enormous amount of damage to our reefs & live bottoms! THESE things will do more damage to our fishery, than any amount of pressure that WE can put on it. Like I said before, lets just give them away, to anyone who wants to eat them. No law against that, right?

I kill Lionfish, on sight! I usually just push it off the spear, with my knife. They are dangerous to handle, and the spines WILL penetrate neoprene, so it’s not wise to string them up and drag them to the surface with you. Unfortunately, the medium to small ones are VERY common, but I did see one almost the size of a basketball, once. He rocked-up before I could get to him, and I didn’t want to take the shot that far back under a ledge. I would gladly send the larger ones to the surface on a bag, but I wont string one to myself like most fish.

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PS: If a fly lost it’s wings, would it be called a walk?

Hey Guys,
I love coming on here! Sells, as far as I know, I am the only one who is doing this “correctly” right now, and fish aren’t really there yet, still out in 250-600’ warmer(I told Lucca that too, but they had the date set before they found a “source,” we tried all the way out to 160’ but it was like 59F on bottom, JUST TO COLD!).
All the boats I fish on, including my new fishing/diving/lionfish-hunting charter boat (26 glacier bay) are properly licensed. We have the Commercial license, AND the much needed (thanks to info from NOAA, SCDNR, AND DHEC) “wholesale distribution” license. With just the commercial permit, from what I understand, people can still “sell” fish to distributors like Mt P seafood, crosby’s ect, but you need the wholesale/distribution license to sell directly to private vendors.

As far as regular old fishing goes, and for commercial fisherman alike, the species is 100% un-managed. There are no size, number, length, weight, or age requirements to limit fishing. That always gets commercial guys attention…“endless income, right?” When the water hits 67 or better, I average about 200 fish in 3-4 dives alone. Right now restaurant are paying anywhere from $8-15 a pound, or $10-15 a fish depending on what quantity and quality of fish they are looking for, and how they are going to serve them. You do the math to see if its worth some commercial time…What it does for us water folk who are sitting on our hands dreaming about ARS ceviche, is gives divers and fisherman alike the rare opportunity to be able to spend a day on the water, kill a bunch of fish, and grab some cash and hook up a local diner to make up for trip price. After the whole day is done, fiberglass sprayed with blood, with 300 fish in the box, you can actually get paid for your kill frenzy…Here’s the catch, your helping the environment!

Lionfish eat 7x per hour more than a BSB. Of that food, 90% of species ingested are juvenile grouper, snapper, and bsb. If the SAMFC thinks fishing from the top is the p

here is a link to a SWEET video of a Lionfish in it’s native habitat…notice its only 4" long and very stringy…they are definitely starting to look like BSB here. Tougher, blacker, harder scales, much bigger, and WAY more territorial.

The video is of Lionfish’s ONLY natural predator…and no, the solution is NOT bringing Humbback Scorpionfish to the East Coast so don’t bother trying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThtA0vrzMk&feature=player_embedded

How to get rid of them:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/06/AR2010070601003.html

yeah paul is is the same diver and yes he does have a wholesale lic… I checked on that at the end of of last year… and yeah I had heard about the big “Lionfish dinner, with the Iron Chef” that didnt have any Lionfish…
AND TO EVERYONE ELSE… yes you need the $25 dollar comm lic and the $100 wholesale lic to be selling fish to anyone, so looks like I am gunna have to go with the back up plan unless my diver comes thru for me this weekend and starts haulin in some or some of you all have those permits, cuzI am not trying to do no shady ****, buying illegal fish… seriously like I said yesterday I just posted on here figuring alot of you guys had those permits and for the most part ran off-shore charter for the tourists in the summer months… anyway I am still going to try and get a market out there for Lionfish, I mean long as lic divers/fisherman are willing to go get’em…so in the end I guess I have wasted my time and sorry for the post but atleast we got talking about it and if any of you want go get the correct permits I will buy your Lionfish or any other… and No I am not paying 20 bucs for a Lionfish or any other… If you dont know ask Paul I know the market VERY WELL and I know what I should be paying and what I am willing to pay and 20 bucs for a 2 pound fish is not even close to what it needs to be, you only get maybe a 30% yeild off those things…like Trigger

There’s a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. ~Steven Wright

If you will buy them for $8 per pound whole, I will even drive them to Charleston. Just send me a pm on where you want them delivered. Do you have certain size you are looking for? What is the min. size you will take? If not $8 per pound how much are you willing to pay? (I am fully lic.)There are plenty out there to be had right now and sunday is looking like a possiblity.

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Originally posted by vmdupuis

I average about 200 fish in 3-4 dives alone. Right now restaurant are paying anywhere from $8-15 a pound, or $10-15 a fish depending on what quantity and quality of fish they are looking for, and how they are going to serve them.


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Sounds like it is worth the $125 in licenses!


Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!

I hope the chef pulls this off, it would do wonders for the juvenile fish on the reefs.

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Originally posted by vmdupuis

Hey Guys,
I love coming on here! Sells, as far as I know, I am the only one who is doing this “correctly” right now, and fish aren’t really there yet, still out in 250-600’ warmer(I told Lucca that too, but they had the date set before they found a “source,” we tried all the way out to 160’ but it was like 59F on bottom, JUST TO COLD!).
All the boats I fish on, including my new fishing/diving/lionfish-hunting charter boat (26 glacier bay) are properly licensed. We have the Commercial license, AND the much needed (thanks to info from NOAA, SCDNR, AND DHEC) “wholesale distribution” license. With just the commercial permit, from what I understand, people can still “sell” fish to distributors like Mt P seafood, crosby’s ect, but you need the wholesale/distribution license to sell directly to private vendors.

As far as regular old fishing goes, and for commercial fisherman alike, the species is 100% un-managed. There are no size, number, length, weight, or age requirements to limit fishing. That always gets commercial guys attention…“endless income, right?” When the water hits 67 or better, I average about 200 fish in 3-4 dives alone. Right now restaurant are paying anywhere from $8-15 a pound, or $10-15 a fish depending on what quantity and quality of fish they are looking for, and how they are going to serve them. You do the math to see if its worth some commercial time…What it does for us water folk who are sitting on our hands dreaming about ARS ceviche, is gives divers and fisherman alike the rare opportunity to be able to spend a day on the water, kill a bunch of fish, and grab some cash and hook up a local diner to make up for trip price. After the whole day is done, fiberglass sprayed with blood, with 300 fish in the box, you can actually get paid for your kill frenzy…Here’s the catch, your helping the environment!

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Phin, while I do not think that lion fish are going to be a new viable new fishery, nor should they be a factor in our new regulations. There are far more than a half dozen on each piece of hardbottom. There are some ledges that there are 6 every foot, for the entire ledge. On those ledges, there will not be any of the small reef fish that are normally everywhere. They can wipe out a piece of bottom.

agreed. it might not seem like an issue now but with NO… repeat NO natural predators of lionfish the problem will be exponentially worse in a very short time. i’m glad someone is being proactive

With densities like that, aren’t they more catchable with hook and line? What has been your experience getting them on hook and line?

I have caught a few on frozen cigar minnows and small live bait. Most were in what is now the MPA. Congratz, SAFMC… completely protect lionfish in all those areas where recreational diving is not as easy. Great job. I’m sure any red grouper in the MPA have all turned to males by now also. More great work.
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Back to lionfish… are you able to net the small ones when they’re thick in density or do you have to shoot every one? Are you breaking the spines off before taking the spear off or are you just bagging them up while hunting more? Interested in details…

Fishery Scorecard
FMP A.16 (Grouper closed)- RFA, FRA opposed; Pew, EDF, CCA supported
FMP A.17B (kitties/warsaws banned & 240’ + snowies and tiles closed)- RFA, FRA opposed; Pew, EDF supported; CCA no position
FMP A.17A (Snapper & 73 species 98’-240’ closed)- RFA, FRA & clubs opposed, said SEDAR 15 was crap; Pew, EDF supported; CCA ?
FMP A.22 (red snapper)- RFA says open immediately reject faulty assessments; Pew, EDF, CCA say keep closed
Catch Shares- RFA, FRA, SKA, others opposed; Pew, EDF, CCA support
MSA- RFA & others oppose strict time mandates coupled with low scientific standards for management actions; Pew, EDF, CCA oppose flexibility, dismissing it as “weakening of the law”
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They get thick on the bottom, but not always right out in the open. They spend a lot of time upside down underneath ledges. They are voracious, but do not chase bait. There ambush predators, they really clean out a section of bottom (i think correlating to their size), in a circle around where they sit. We’ve seen weights with squid and live bait land just a few inches outside their “zone”. No bites, but if you pick up anything, even shells or rock and drop them near the fish, they bite like lightning. I would LOVE to find a way to be more productive on a rod and reel, but catching 1 defensive lionfish for every 3 predatory ARS you throw back (‘cause there there aren’t any out there), the fishery becomes a lot less “green.” How I hunt and handle is proprietary for now (come on a charter with www.LowcountryScuba.com)…but it is not much harder than being careful, fast, and a well designed (by me, Lowcountry Scuba, and Nauticle Enterprses) gun, gloves, and bag… I leave everything on the fish, as most places are “paying” for the presentation, what a cool looking plate!
Sells, I think at the end of the day you are right though, while this is a great way to spend a day on the water, and help clean up some our “secret” reefs, we are going to NEED an effective H+L method to be able to get to the rest of the 60%+ of the invasive population in 170’ of water and deeper (out to 600’ possibly?). As you know, going that far it is hard to beat the bank, so diving and killing within recreational limits, and allowing solid divers to invest some time and spray into protecting their own numbers is what we have now! It makes a huge difference in overall productivity all year if you constantly remove lionfish from the structure, no doubt about that! Young grouper, snapper, and sea bass are looking for clean bottom to grow big on, they just need some back-up.
You just let me know ANYTIME if you need someone to come clean up your spots so they produce this year! HA - Video included!

So, just to clarify, since you know the market so well, what exactly are you willing to pay for all the lionfish you can get?

IM4—Im not bragging its just part of my job is knowing what the market is doing… I get weekly market reports as well daily email newsletter… Like their is a world wide shortage of Salmon right now and the price is on the rise world wide shortage because all the farms , which most of everybodys salmon comes from all have cycles and they all our geared around the New Moon, of course and they are all running low on stock trying to cycle out all the older fish … I mean I am not an expect or anything on the subject, dont take it like…I just keep up with it as any good chef should do so he isnt paying too much for any fish at any certain time…my wife can tell ya she hates it

There’s a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. ~Steven Wright