Are you sure you are buying non-e gas? I know someone who owns a vintage airplane that uses non-e gas. Each fill up he will test the fuel before pumping it into the plane and has found alcohol in what was supposed to be non-e gas twice.
ZX
Salty, could it have been bad gas? My wife took her car in for an oil change (2010 Toyota). She filled up on the way. When she picked up the car it was hesitating etc. She took it back to the dealership and they replaced the coil and cleaned the injectors. On the way home it happened again. She took it back a total of three times with the same issue. It turns out her tank was full of sludge from a single tank of bad gas. The dealership replaced the injectors, all lines and hoses and put in a brand new gas tank. All of it caused by one tank of sediment filled gas.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
there isn’t any such thing as straight gas anymore that I am aware of
everything has additives
I don’t know what the additives are, or if they are the same
I am no chemist, nor do play one on the internet, but I have dealt with exactly the same issues salty is talking about.
some boats have problems, others do not
I don’t know why, but I haven’t had any issues when only one fuel or the other is used consistently
the key…
USE YOUR BOATS and you wont have nearly as many fuel issues
IT WASN’T BAD GAS, the non-E was bought from one of the busiest stores selling non-E in Georgetown. The Techs and Mechanics at the Boat Shed in Georgetown, pulled it out and told me it was the result of mixing non and E gas. The boat was full and treated as it sat for a month between uses, I always fill it after being on the water, 5 gallons or 105 gallons. I’ve run 3-400 gallons in the boat since it was discovered and am still getting the sludge residue out. One or the other, not a combination of both. If you want to combine them, then get some extra filters, sooner or later you’ll need one.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
This discussion has been going on for years it seems.
I think I have personally pumped out and cleaned out the gunk you are talking about on several occasions - yellowish gunk that gets pumped in with the fuel.
Engines stop running, filling stations wont take responsibility, law suits generated, ect…
Several customers will have the same problem from the same fueling station on the same weekend.
Once, I changed a set of Yamaha injectors due to damage, but all others bounced back just fine.
One customer requested we send off samples to be analyzed for legal purposes. We were told by the lab it was an additive in the fuel that was causing the issue (don’t remember the exact name).
We were informed that the additive is designed to soak up water from the tanks at the filling station, and when the filling stations tanks became too low and concentrated with the water soaked additive, it would get passed on to the customers at too high a concentration by mistake.
I don’t know how that case resulted, other than having us fix the problem and sending in the sample to be analyzed.
I wouldn’t have a problem mixing them myself, and I have done it before. I do use fuel treatment on every tank though, since non-ethanol fuel isn’t always an option for me.
Take that info for what its worth, which might be slightly higher than what you paid for it.
Key West 2300cc Mercury 225 optimax “Fish Tale”
I’ve mixed E and non-E in my pickup (1990 GMC 1500, 208K miles). I personally haven’t had a problem, but I won’t make any promises that you won’t.
I normally fill up on E only and have no problems. Occasionally, when I’m filling my boat’s 5g gas tank with non-E (the only thing I use in the old outboard), I’ll top off my truck with the non-E, so maybe 4-5 gallons of non-E getting mixed into 5-10 gallons of E. I haven’t had any problems as of yet, but I also burn that gas out on a weekly basis.
My advice is the same at those above-- either burn out all the E gas (add Stabil for E gas) and then fill up with non-E if that’s a concern of yours. Or, drain it out and put it in your truck.
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I made the mistake once of mixing E with non. Until I ran it all out it was a noticeable drop in performance and difficult to start. Since then have only used non E and haven’t had any of those issues…(knock on wood)
17.5 Searay
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Originally posted by chris Vthere isn’t any such thing as straight gas anymore that I am aware of
everything has additives</font id=“red”>
I don’t know what the additives are, or if they are the same
I am no chemist, nor do play one on the internet, but I have dealt with exactly the same issues salty is talking about.
some boats have problems, others do not
I don’t know why, but I haven’t had any issues when only one fuel or the other is used consistently
the key…
USE YOUR BOATS and you wont have nearly as many fuel issues</font id=“red”>
good one
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I guess I should have said Non ethanol Blended fuel instead of “straight” gas. Oh for some Amoco “white” gas and even that had aromatics added instead of lead.
Can any of ya’ll smart folks tell me why we have alcohol in our gas? I don’t think there is a net gain in energy from producing corn, fermenting it, and distilling the stuff. If there were farmers would be running tractors on alcohol rather than gas and df. Is it supposed to be cleaner? It sure beats me why we are doing this.
ZX
we used to have methyl tert butyl ehter (MTBE) added to our gas as an oxygenator. It reduces the production of some of the pollutants produced. But, when underground tanks leaked, MTBE showed up in ground water which makes it into the drinking water supply. MTBE is gone as an oxygenator. Alcohol replaced it. But, you need very little alcohol to do the job. 'Would not be enough to cause problems.
The vast majority of the ethanol in our gas is there because the anti-fossil fuel nazis are pushing any and everything they can as alternatives. Add, to that the huge agriculture lobby that likes growing corn for higher prices.
And, you’re correct. Ethanol is not a fuel source. It is just repackaged oil. Take more oil energy to produce the E than the E gives back. Silliness.
17’ Henry O Hornet
26’ Palmer Scott
Thanks for the answer. I had just about figured it out about alcohol not being a fuel. Takes more energy to make the alcohol than you get back. I think I can hear the voice of someone in the federal government saying “but it’s for your own good”.
ZX
Funny that when they made E85 cars they didn’t tell anybody the mileage was awful when you ran E85. For some reason everybody thought you would get the same mileage. I know in cars it doesn’t matter to mix E85 with E10. Never heard of anyone running e free in a car but I’m sure it happens. I think I still have a source for some free testing, would be interesting to know for sure what’s in your tank salty.
Mayhem
Pioneer 197
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Originally posted by tanksgtThanks for the answer. I had just about figured it out about alcohol not being a fuel. Takes more energy to make the alcohol than you get back. I think I can hear the voice of someone in the federal government saying “but it’s for your own good”.
ZX
That pretty much sums it up!! Once the feds get involved, you can be assured the problem will get worse when theY “try” to fix it…
Key West 19’6" CC 115hp Merc
14’ Fast Craft w/ 60hp Merc
Chris V will tell you not to mix it. Seems to be mixed reports no matter where you look. The station I used to fill up at had non E for years. One day I went and they had E10. I put 15G in and added starton. Boat ran fine that trip. Next time out (about a week) it stalled at the dock and the separator bowl had the dreaded yellow/orange sludge. Cracked the drain plugs on the carb bowls and pumped fuel through till it cleared up. I took a 5 gallon gas can of non E and ran my boat till it ran out of fuel. Dumped the 5 g of non E in and then filled up with non E and Seafoam. I got a small amount of sludge in the bowl for about 5 trips. I run E free exclusively and haven’t had a fuel problem since.
Your choice, but it’s not worth the risk when the solution is so easy.
Edited to add: Chris V, I didn’t see you already commented. Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth but I have seen your objection to mixing on here before.
Wellcraft V-20 sportfish with a 200 Evinrude
I’m just going to say it again… my 2 cents.
I mix them all the time and I have never had an issue at all.
My Yamahas have loved it, and my Mercury loves it. The Yamaha and Mercury manuals I have both say that up to 10% Ethanol is good to go.
Also, all of our cars and trucks seem to ride just fine on it mixed.
I’m with Chris V’s opinion all the way… seems like a problem of people not using them! Keep that fuel fresh.
I never had a gunk issue, but I have been paid to clean out bad fuel received from fuel stations many times.
Believe what you want… its not like an oil company would lie to you, right?
Note: I do run my boats often, and I do use fuel additive.
Key West 2300cc Mercury 225 optimax “Fish Tale”