Wando, I do struggle with the fact that CCA shows very little to know involvement with this site.
It comes across to me and others that they have something to hide or are not telling the whole story. As you know myself and others are very passionate about this subject. I personally felt very betrayed with the lack of support on the Washington DC trip with the lack of support. Jeremy at Atlantic Game and Tackle was one of a very small group of local businesses that stepped up to support us. To this day I still give him all my business and as much of my friends as possible. Sure I don’t own a big sporty but I like to think myself along with the other 7 boats worth of guys I fish with make atleast a little slash in the sport fishing economy.
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Let’s set up a lunch or meeting on a Friday.as scouting lives elsewhere and we can discuss. I will try to get the guy from CCA SC to come which I am sure I can do.
Two groups working for the same goal is much better than Internet discussion or debate.
What do you guys think about this idea?
big dog
This would be great, and it’s what we have wanted from the beginning.
To be honest, there wouldn’t be a need for two groups if the initial group had not alienated some other folks with comments that were quite negative and dismissive that we’re circulated around among those who were influential in the community regarding the “new guys” who we’re just “mad about the snapper closure” or “hot heads.”
I think you would be surprised to learn of conversations and actions that have occurred between and parties as well as what has been done both for and against folks. Just as you have obviously spent a bit of time listening to one side, there’s another side. That’s all the more I am going to say. Water under the bridge. Respect lost for certain people but working on rebuilding it as well as something in the form of credibility and trust.
Please do not continue assuming you know all the history with this stuff. There’s lots you don’t know and have seemed to not really want to know. That’s your prerogative. But if you want us to sit down and work together then there needs to be some honesty and respect rather than finger pointing and bashing. I not once bashed cca until i was misled and then personally bashed by someone. At that point, when people continued to be misled then I was not going to hold back so much. You will note a dramatic change in things on this forum in the past year or so though. Nobody wants to fight, but I will fit you
If I am told there is no problem and that fisheries need to be shut down if the government says so, then there will be no further conversation. We will have a difference between us that cannot be resolved.
The government in this case is not acting on our behalf nor the fishes’ behalf. Putting charter captains and small commercial operations out of business without statistically reliable data and sound conclusions is not my idea of proper management or “the right thing to do.” When I fly to Alaska I want to pay a guide to learn the fishery not spend a week screwing up and hurting the fishery i am ignorant about even… Sorry if you disagree and put anyone who makes money off fishing in the same category. Tackle shop owners would not be happy with that position I doubt. That’s exactly the position you defend when you sandbag the broken law and broken process that cca took much credit for getting implemented. You still even employ the former us senate staffer who wrote in the changes now as your lobbyist because of the wonderful job he did getting that agenda accomplished. This isnt jnk i was fed by rfa. This stuff i learned on my own by looking theough legislative history and ethics disclosures. Cca should be experiencing enormous success following that political win, but they are not. Ever wonder about why cca isn’t? Is national on the same page as the membership? You know the answer if you have been curious for long. The answer is also obvious if you poke a boat past the beach today with a fiahing rod aboard. Cca’s founder passing really set them back in my opinion. Money leads now, and that’s the whole issue. The cca can be great if it choo
Wando, I do struggle with the fact that CCA shows very little to know involvement with this site.
It comes across to me and others that they have something to hide or are not telling the whole story. As you know myself and others are very passionate about this subject. I personally felt very betrayed with the lack of support on the Washington DC trip with the lack of support. Jeremy at Atlantic Game and Tackle was one of a very small group of local businesses that stepped up to support us. To this day I still give him all my business and as much of my friends as possible. Sure I don’t own a big sporty but I like to think myself along with the other 7 boats worth of guys I fish with make atleast a little slash in the sport fishing economy.
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
Cca posts press releases on here, and a couple state officers read the site and post info pretty often.
Cca doesn’t get involved in arguments officially because there is usually more to be lost than gained on the web. People can say what they want and there is no accountability for their factual accuracy or anything. The person who can type the most usually wins. S I look like a bully even though cca has hundreds of thousands of members and millions of dollars. I am just one of those Internet bullies or whatever who questions things and digs around for info. Sometimes things get forwarded to me or repeated to me over the phone though, and it sounds like its someone else who was the bully and I may just be someone who stood up to it.
I am not sure anymore. I just want to see fish managed right and people not hurt.
Wish none of this had ever happened. It’s a nightmare.
Wando, I do struggle with the fact that CCA shows very little to know involvement with this site.
It comes across to me and others that they have something to hide or are not telling the whole story. As you know myself and others are very passionate about this subject. I personally felt very betrayed with the lack of support on the Washington DC trip with the lack of support. Jeremy at Atlantic Game and Tackle was one of a very small group of local businesses that stepped up to support us. To this day I still give him all my business and as much of my friends as possible. Sure I don’t own a big sporty but I like to think myself along with the other 7 boats worth of guys I fish with make atleast a little slash in the sport fishing economy.
Set the trap boys, we going to pass through them again!!
I am not sure why CCA did not want to get on the bus trip. I have my ideas but that would be speaking from my gut which may not speak for their reasons.
My thought is that you can make a one shot balls to the wall presentation or you can do what I call a hunt and peck. Hunt and peck is that you watch , listen, and the go for it… Some had said the lobby action that CCA uses is underhand but the peck…seems to work in the longer chance of change… Keynword is chance.
Some will lash out saying CCA is this and that but I disagree.
I have been sent a bunch of bull **** about RFA but the Internet is bull when it comes to truth.
Give that comment a spoon of sugar…take the www for what it is worth.
I really mean it bout getting together and have a talk.
No slam to Wes but those that pick up the glove, please come with an open mind to discuss. If not then this will not work.
I mistake your idea about discussion to mean you have already determined what all is about?
I keep my words very simple. Together we can overcome. It just seems like a good idea to try to bridge this gap.
I have read your long posts and might agree on certain topics but that is not the answer to the problem.
You are studied in what you believe but I see a problem…
Save your words for a up front discussion.
Lawyers get paid for long discussions. Just got a bill from mine.
Kiss…keep it simple sugar.
big dog
Okay my career choice doesn’t really define who I am I don’t feel. And I am not typing this while representing anyone but myself.
Someone didn’t listen and hurt me badly after trying to work together. I have never encountered this type of situation outside of politics, so I resorted to that game by coming here to where folks would listen. I felt bad when things came across full of frustration and despair, but everything I said was me and not what anybody was influencing me to say or type. If you don’t recognize that, then I don’t know what else to tell you.
You seem to get irritated by long replies, so I will end soon.
I am sorry I have not done a better job working with folks. We are all still learning and maturing I believe. We are all big boys and can hopefully learn from our mistakes. I never wanted to be divisive. I wanted people to have a reason to listen and think for theirselves before things become more out of control. People saw someone posting so much for so long, and they started to realize we must either be plum crazy or either have legit concerns warranting attention. Don’t regret that because people listened and people thought about it.
I too have some misgivings about the CCA and thier lack of involvement on the fishing issues, tho I am not nearly as informed on them as others are.
I do know that only good can come from joining together to fight the draconian fishing regulations being implemented. The more information/power/members obtained the better off we will all be in my opinion.
I saw battles like this rage on for years in WA state over the salmon fishing and in the end it only hurt the fishermen.
I say if both orginazations are willing to throw out a “olive branch” to each other heck, let’s take both them branches and start to build a tree to combat these maritime issues.
Russ B. www.joinrfa.org
God is great, Beer is good, People are crazy
WOW>>>> I just got back from NYC, and see this has taken on a life of its own. I do applaud what CCA has done for the inshore fishery, and their oyster restoration program is excellent! But to publicly bash the group of us that went to DC to prevent a bottom fishing closure of the SE coast, was the last straw with me. I also did not like how long it took them to come out against the red snapper closure. I am pretty sure the only reason they came out was because of dwindling membership. CCA has made plenty of enemies from the Carolina’s around to Texas.
And Wando, I do think it would be good for all groups to get on the same page. The infighting needs to stop, and we ALL need to vote for candidates that will support fisherman and healthy fisheries. Nikki Haley abandoned us by re-appointing David Cupka to the board for 3 more years.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Why not get together sometime to get up to speed on where we all want this to go.?
Phin,
You caught me on a day when I had just gotten a bill from a clients lawyer for a phone call that I am expected to pay. I was the one that refered the client to such lawyer and the nut sac bills me for a phone call???
Did u guys know that the acronym MPA was originally named after Cupka? It used to stand for Major Phucking Asshole… They have long since changed the meaning, but unfortunately Cupka is still a Major Phucking Asshole.
Did u guys know that the acronym MPA was originally named after Cupka? It used to stand for Major Phucking Asshole… They have long since changed the meaning, but unfortunately Cupka is still a Major Phucking Asshole.
+10!
Russ B. www.joinrfa.org
God is great, Beer is good, People are crazy