Did that guy actually compare himself to Einstein!!!
Baaaaa hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!
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No he was trying to tell you that everyone has a brain if used properly…Einstein did…do you?
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Originally posted by 23SailfishDid that guy actually compare himself to Einstein!!!
Baaaaa hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!
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Darn! We moved it and he still found it.
6 pages and I just realized I’ll never get all that time back…Dammit
So, what’s so ignorant about mentioning the potential harm in targeting breeding size redfish, especially during their spawning season?
Also, what’s so far fetched in assuming more and more 2 year olds would mean increased predation on fingerlings (less than or 1 year olds), since they share habitat?
Fingerlings don’t normally inhabit the same areas as 1-4 year old juvenile reds. SCDNR touches on this very subject in their informational booklet on redfish.
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Originally posted by OlebassardSo, what’s so ignorant about mentioning the potential harm in targeting breeding size redfish, especially during their spawning season?
Also, what’s so far fetched in assuming more and more 2 year olds would mean increased predation on fingerlings (less than or 1 year olds), since they share habitat?
How big do you think a 1 year old bass is?
That fish (fingerling, about the size of a finger) on the last page could be anywhere from 9 to 12 months old and would indeed inhabit the same areas as “1-4 year old juvenile reds”…
What about my first question? Floating breeders at the grilliage in September is a good thing… as long as you’re having fun?
Wheeeeeeee!
1 year old fish are 12-15 inches long therefor not subject to predation by other reds. They reach fingerling size in just a few months. Again, this information is readily available through published materials by DNR.
Floating fish (breeders or not) are not good for anyone. If you read through all of the back and forth in Inshore Discussion that the village idiot stirred up, I stated that during the hot water months (July-September)is when the large reds are most likely to experience some trauma from long fights on lighter lines coupled with poor handling. A little education and care goes a long way in preventing this from happening.
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Originally posted by OlebassardHow big do you think a 1 year old bass is?
That fish (fingerling, about the size of a finger) on the last page could be anywhere from 9 to 12 months old and would indeed inhabit the same areas as “1-4 year old juvenile reds”…
What about my first question? Floating breeders at the grilliage in September is a good thing… as long as you’re having fun?
Wheeeeeeee!
Think year class instead of 1 year old…
Last fall of 2013 was a year class, this spring of 2014, the year class of 2012 will be mawing on the smaller fish from the year class of 2013, none of which grew to 12-15 inches over the winter in a “nursery” where water temps easily dip into the lower 40’s. I’m sure you can find some published data on winter growth rate.
Maybe that picture on the previous page was taken in Nov or December and it is an early spawned 3 month old, but I’m thinking that picture was taken in the spring, when you’ll see more fish that size casting for bait. That fish is a delightful snack for a hopped up 1 1/2-2 year old fish.
Side Note: Yesterday morning was as nice as it gets on the water. 
It was you that asked, " How big do you think a 1 year old is", and I answered the question. You are 100% correct in that THIS YEAR’S class (spawned in the Fall of 2013) are at fingerling size. Their location is where I believe we disagree. From what I’ve read, the vast majority are not on the flats or smaller creeks where 1-4 year old fish live. They reside (now) in deeper holes farther up the rivers where they can be protected from severe water temperature changes. I’m not here saying fingerling reds NEVER cross paths with fish that are large enough to prey on them which they will, but overall, I believe it’s RARE for large schools of the size pictured to inhabit the same waters as their older cousins. That’s nature’s way.
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Originally posted by OlebassardThink year class instead of 1 year old…
Last fall of 2013 was a year class, this spring of 2014, the year class of 2012 will be mawing on the smaller fish from the year class of 2013, none of which grew to 12-15 inches over the winter in a “nursery” where water temps easily dip into the lower 40’s. I’m sure you can find some published data on winter growth rate.
Maybe that picture on the previous page was taken in Nov or December and it is an early spawned 3 month old, but I’m thinking that picture was taken in the spring, when you’ll see more fish that size casting for bait. That fish is a delightful snack for a hopped up 1 1/2-2 year old fish.
Side Note: Yesterday morning was as nice as it gets on the water.
Since you mention “fingerlings” then mention 1-4 year olds, sounds like your “fingerlings” are what I consider current 1 year olds (2013 spawn) and your 1 year olds are my 2 year olds (2012 spawn)… that being said, come spring time those 0 year olds (fingerlings) will be hanging in the same habitat with 1 year olds more so than 1 year olds will be hanging in a large school of 4 year olds… but that’s just my observation… rarely am I on a school, up on a flat catching all over slot fish, then all of a sudden have an under slot fish take the bait… maybe it happens to you all the time…I dunno, it’s all good.
We might as well argue about who would whup who between a Ninja and a Samurai.
I’m thinking Ninja all the way.
Weird double post… I really do not like the new laptop. 
I’m not sure where all the fingerlings go, but in the early spring we routinely catch fingerling red, trout and flounder at my dock at the very end of the creek (tidal) - in a cast net of course. The very end of the creeks, where they fan out to marsh grass, seem to be the fishes “nursery”. We also have large amounts of grass shrimp approx 1" long that seem to survive under 45 deg water no problem
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This is exactly correct. The smallest class of juveniles (spawned last fall) will be hunkered down in deeper, less saline water during their first winter if it’s available. They will move back into their nursery areas (small creeks/ditches, flooded marsh, etc) during the spring and will stay there until at least the summer, when they will begin to move into larger bodies of water and join some of their older brethren. It’s not at all unusual to sample a school of red drum made up of a mix of 1-4 year old fish.
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Originally posted by RADDADDYIt was you that asked, " How big do you think a 1 year old is", and I answered the question. You are 100% correct in that THIS YEAR’S class (spawned in the Fall of 2013) are at fingerling size. Their location is where I believe we disagree. From what I’ve read, the vast majority are not on the flats or smaller creeks where 1-4 year old fish live. They reside (now) in deeper holes farther up the rivers where they can be protected from severe water temperature changes. I’m not here saying fingerling reds NEVER cross paths with fish that are large enough to prey on them which they will, but overall, I believe it’s RARE for large schools of the size pictured to inhabit the same waters as their older cousins. That’s nature’s way.
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Originally posted by OlebassardThink year class instead of 1 year old…
Last fall of 2013 was a year class, this spring of 2014, the year class of 2012 will be mawing on the smaller fish from the year class of 2013, none of which grew to 12-15 inches over the winter in a “nursery” where water temps easily dip into the lower 40’s. I’m sure you can find some published data on winter growth rate.
Maybe that picture on the previous page was taken in Nov or December and
Flooded marsh you say… ever been wade fishing?
Less saline, deeper water you say… ever fished (and caught plenty red drum) in the Combahee near the bridge?
I’d say that is shared habitat.
Sample an area known to hold fish with a 300 foot long trammel net, having a specific mesh size, yeah, gets you quite the array of ages… and species for that matter…does that mean the Burrfish and Pinfish et.all were “schooled up” with the 4 year old redfish?
Nah.
JT, when do you think that photo on page 5 was taken?
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Originally posted by OlebassardFlooded marsh you say… ever been wade fishing?
That sounds fun, what’s that like?!!
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I dunno, you should ask Einstein.