What years did fish names change?

General Fishing Discussion
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Richard Beer Froth - That could be the best most well thought out response I have ever seen or heard tell of on this forum. Funny stuff but true.

I never heard the term Redfish for a spot tail until the 80’s/90’s when the Florida fishing shows started showing up on cable tv. You know Andy Mill, Fip Pallot, etc., etc. In the Lowcountry of South Carolina, they were always (almost) called Spot Tails unless they were over say 30 inches or so and then they became Channel Bass. I grew up in Jacksonboro so I believe I am qualified to speak on this. At least that is my proclamation. I don’t really have any info on Rockfish except to tell you that my Grandfather came here right after the depression, running a dragline on the ICW, from Eastern North Carolina. Up there they are Rockfish without a doubt.

I call them Spottails even when I am fishing from a boat with a Poling Platform and Rockfish even when I am fishing north of the Mason Dixon line on Lake Murray.

I still call Stumpknokers - Stupknockers and Mudfish- Mudfish.

We didn’t know anything at all about Mahi or Dolphin in Jacksonboro when I was growing up.

Anyhow this has been a great thread.

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Originally posted by Fred67
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Originally posted by Richard Beer Froth

Fred,

Have you gotten so spooked from the political forum that now you are trying to figure out fish aliases too…

RBF

If I didn’t know you by now, I might take offense to that statement. :smiley: As it is Thanks for the comment. :smiley:

How are you doing RBF? Hope well.

Never once heard anyone referring differently to spot tail as they mature other than maybe the big ones being Bulls.

And I believe that “Bull” red is a recent addition… I’d say here locally in the last 15 or so years. :question:

Doing well, Fred. How about yourself?

The technical difference between a “Redfish” and “Spot Tail/Channel Bass/Puppy Drum” is simple:

Spot Tail/Channel Bass/Puppy Drum:
1.) Caught from either a pier, bank, or a boat powered by a two-stroke motor with no poling platform
2.) Use live/cut bait
3.) Igloo cooler
4.) Shakespeare equipment
5.) No fishing fashion statements

Redfish:
1.) Caught from a four-stroke powered boat, poling platform, with enough gadgets to require a four year technical degree to operate
2.) Use artificials
3.) Yeti cooler
4.) Shimano equipment
5.) Opposite of #5 above

RBF

That might be your best and most accurate post to date. :smiley:

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It’s all about education, and I’d bet it has a great deal to do with folks coming in without making an attempt to assimilate or learn. I wish I had the benefit of enjoying a Lowcountry childhood, but I wasn’t so lucky. When we first came here eight years ago, the natives were the norm and transplants the anomaly; now, it has flip-flopped completely.

At first, it seemed as though those of us who made the choice to move here did so in large part because of the pace of life and the generosity and congeniality of the natives, and the vast majority of transplants echoed and embraced the lifestyle and attitude I’d grown to love since I first came south in 1996 to attend Auburn.

Now, unfortunately, a good number of those coming here seem to have done so solely for the weather and the Lilly Pulitzer, and don’t seem as content to leave behind the tendencies and idiosyncrasies of the northeast and classless midwest. I’m seeing more and more of the hurried, cold attitude I tried so hard to leave behind.

In short, folks aren’t assimilating.

Being from off, I grew up fishing for brook/brown/rainbow trout in little bubbling creeks and streams, and large/smallmouth bass in local lakes. The “trash fish” there were the perch – but, depending upon what your dad called them, they might have been “sunfish,” “sunnies,” “perch,” “punkies,” or even “pumpkins.” Coming down here, I didn’t know a spot tail from a hole in the wall – or a BSB from a mangrove snapper, for that matter.

It’s about education; not only teaching kids the right way, but teaching others as well. It’s gotta be difficult for natives to watch all of the changes to this area, and at times it must be nearly impossible to bite your tongue and offer advice to invasive species such as myself. This forum is something special due to the folks in it.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to work so that I can afford to go out in my four-stroke boat and use all of the equipment I barely understand to find a spot where I can endlessly fling ZMan pa

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Originally posted by AUAlum2000

It’s all about education, and I’d bet it has a great deal to do with folks coming in without making an attempt to assimilate or learn. I wish I had the benefit of enjoying a Lowcountry childhood, but I wasn’t so lucky. When we first came here eight years ago, the natives were the norm and transplants the anomaly; now, it has flip-flopped completely.

At first, it seemed as though those of us who made the choice to move here did so in large part because of the pace of life and the generosity and congeniality of the natives, and the vast majority of transplants echoed and embraced the lifestyle and attitude I’d grown to love since I first came south in 1996 to attend Auburn.

Now, unfortunately, a good number of those coming here seem to have done so solely for the weather and the Lilly Pulitzer, and don’t seem as content to leave behind the tendencies and idiosyncrasies of the northeast and classless midwest. I’m seeing more and more of the hurried, cold attitude I tried so hard to leave behind.

In short, folks aren’t assimilating.

Being from off, I grew up fishing for brook/brown/rainbow trout in little bubbling creeks and streams, and large/smallmouth bass in local lakes. The “trash fish” there were the perch – but, depending upon what your dad called them, they might have been “sunfish,” “sunnies,” “perch,” “punkies,” or even “pumpkins.” Coming down here, I didn’t know a spot tail from a hole in the wall – or a BSB from a mangrove snapper, for that matter.

It’s about education; not only teaching kids the right way, but teaching others as well. It’s gotta be difficult for natives to watch all of the changes to this area, and at times it must be nearly impossible to bite your tongue and offer advice to invasive species such as myself. This forum is something special due to the folks in it.

Now, if you’ll excu

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Originally posted by AUAlum2000

It’s all about education, and I’d bet it has a great deal to do with folks coming in without making an attempt to assimilate or learn. I wish I had the benefit of enjoying a Lowcountry childhood, but I wasn’t so lucky. When we first came here eight years ago, the natives were the norm and transplants the anomaly; now, it has flip-flopped completely.

At first, it seemed as though those of us who made the choice to move here did so in large part because of the pace of life and the generosity and congeniality of the natives, and the vast majority of transplants echoed and embraced the lifestyle and attitude I’d grown to love since I first came south in 1996 to attend Auburn.

Now, unfortunately, a good number of those coming here seem to have done so solely for the weather and the Lilly Pulitzer, and don’t seem as content to leave behind the tendencies and idiosyncrasies of the northeast and classless midwest. I’m seeing more and more of the hurried, cold attitude I tried so hard to leave behind.

In short, folks aren’t assimilating.

Being from off, I grew up fishing for brook/brown/rainbow trout in little bubbling creeks and streams, and large/smallmouth bass in local lakes. The “trash fish” there were the perch – but, depending upon what your dad called them, they might have been “sunfish,” “sunnies,” “perch,” “punkies,” or even “pumpkins.” Coming down here, I didn’t know a spot tail from a hole in the wall – or a BSB from a mangrove snapper, for that matter.

It’s about education; not only teaching kids the right way, but teaching others as well. It’s gotta be difficult for natives to watch all of the changes to this area, and at times it must be nearly impossible to bite your tongue and offer advice to invasive species such as myself. This forum is something special due to the folks in it.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to

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Growing up in Maryland, I can honestly say I’ve heard “striper” used just as much as “rock fish.” While not as prevalent, we do have reds in Maryland and I’ve never heard of a “spot tail bass” or “channel bass” until I moved to SC. A Warmouth was always a Warmouth. Again, never heard of a “Molly” or Stump Knocker" until moving to SC. As far as “Croppy,” I’ve heard of a lot of people blaming that on people from up north but again, I never heard the word until moving to SC. We always called them Crappie. When it comes to dolphin, it was my understanding that the “mahi mahi” came from Polynesian roots. Granted, it does sound “more exotic” on a menu than dolphin and it’s less likely that some bleeding heart would confuse mahi for “Flipper.” Sadly, you have to factor in the lowest common denominator these days.

Here’s another one, I’ve heard several people in SC refer to a yellow perch as an “Eisenhower.” Anybody else heard of that one?

“…be a man and PM me.”

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I grew up on the Texas coast in the 60s and 70s. I never knew that redfish had any other name. And trust me, my family was NEVER accused of being upscale or trendy. Y’all won’t believe it, but it is actually possible to catch redfish and “specks” from a beat up jon boat. I ain’t lyin’!

“You don’t have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.” - C.S. Lewis

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Having come from the north east I have only ever known them as spot tails or red fish, but never never red drum.