Ive rode around with a farmer that shot deer with one. I bet he killed close to 200 last year. However his reasons were that the bullet was cheap and they ran off far enough not to smell when they died. But imo if your planning on recovering the meat I’d go with atlest a 243. So I guess it all depends on whether your trophy hunting or on population control.
That farmer is a piss poor shot.
Probably not… That many deer screams depreditation (sp?) permits and a farmer losing a lot of money to over populated deer.
I don’t agree with it but I know a few that will purposely gut shot a deer so they’ll run enough to get out the field. It crazy the damage a few deer can to to a farmers lively hood.
I enjoy using different caliber rifles to shoot deer and hogs. Each caliber large or small offeres its own issues.
Ive kiiled deer and hogs with 300WSM, 30-30, Shotgun, 270, 7mag.
I have killed plenty of deer and hogs with a well placed shot from my 22LR as well.
I would hold off until its a little cooler though bc if you dont hit the mark you will be trailing, and wounded deer always manage to find the thickest stuff
Ive rode around with a farmer that shot deer with one. I bet he killed close to 200 last year. However his reasons were that the bullet was cheap and they ran off far enough not to smell when they died. But imo if your planning on recovering the meat I’d go with atlest a 243. So I guess it all depends on whether your trophy hunting or on population control.
That farmer is a piss poor shot.
Probably not… That many deer screams depreditation (sp?) permits and a farmer losing a lot of money to over populated deer.
I don’t agree with it but I know a few that will purposely gut shot a deer so they’ll run enough to get out the field. It crazy the damage a few deer can to to a farmers lively hood.
I think you missed my point.
The poster stated that the farmer used the .223 because the deer would run off. In my opinion, he either made ‘bad’ shots on purpose (like you stated) or he is literally a piss poor shot. The .223 will drop a deer like any other calibre. I have enough to my credit to know that for a fact.
As for depredation…I’ve seen it. Saw an entire 20 acre bean field stemmed once. The entire field…not a bean to be found. That farmer dropped over 100 one night. No joke.
I stand by my statement that the .223 is enough for whitetails here in the eas
No sir you missed the point “mister look at me im right and know everthing” . With the shoot to kill permit you can’t touch the deer when you kill it. And let me tell you spraying a field full of dead deer in July is no fun. Also yes you could kill the deer stone cold dead with a perfect shot from a .223. But why Rambo? Why chance bugering up your trophy because your trying to be mr Top Shot with an under sized caliber. Just get off of some of that money and buy you a 30-06. I promise you it wont kick any harder than your wife.
No sir you missed the point “mister look at me im right and know everthing” . With the shoot to kill permit you can’t touch the deer when you kill it.</font id=“red”> And let me tell you spraying a field full of dead deer in July is no fun. Also yes you could kill the deer stone cold dead with a perfect shot from a .223. But why Rambo? Why chance bugering up your trophy because your trying to be mr Top Shot with an under sized caliber. Just get off of some of that money and buy you a 30-06. I promise you it wont kick any harder than your wife.
tree-my- dog, why you so angry?? as to missing the point, You sure CAN keep a deer butcher it, give it away, or take it to a processor with a permit. That’s what ticks me off about the gut shot thing. Lot’s of people would be proud to have the meat, but in some cases it’s just too much hassle for the farmer… i guess.
The .223 doesn’t have to be used “rambo” style as you state. It’s a cheap accurate round in FMJ and a good placed “gut” shot will usually let a deer run to the woods before dying.
Also for the “trophy” the guys I know using one could care less about a trophy. They have more of those than you could shake a stick at. I mostly use a .270 or .12 guage. I have now taken 5 with a .17, pretty impressive little round. Son and I are grouping 3 rounds in a nickle @ 65 yards. (bench rest)
I’d dare say more deer have been missed with bow and arrow than with a .223. Ever heard of one bow hunter not missing or losing a few?
To each there own as long as an effort is made to make a quick kill.
No sir you missed the point “mister look at me im right and know everthing” . With the shoot to kill permit you can’t touch the deer when you kill it. And let me tell you spraying a field full of dead deer in July is no fun. Also yes you could kill the deer stone cold dead with a perfect shot from a .223. But why Rambo? Why chance bugering up your trophy because your trying to be mr Top Shot with an under sized caliber. Just get off of some of that money and buy you a 30-06. I promise you it wont kick any harder than your wife.
Why do you think I’m right and know everything? I have an opinion. That’s all.
I know all about killing for predation. (oops…don’t mean I know everything, just that it doesn’t need explanation) Let me qualify this statement. I ‘used’ to know about how predation used to work in NC…NOT SC. Back then you had to let them lay. It seems in SC you can actually take the animal. That’s great to hear.
LoL I don’t hunt deer with the .223 any longer. You missed that part of my posts above.
As was confirmed by someone else (hey, it’s not just me!), the .223 can be a killing machine. Much like most other calibers. Plenty of people shoot buckshot and bows, both of which are very weak killers (unless placed properly). I don’t really see your disdain with a legal round?
As I said, in my ~30 years of hunting, I put more meat in the freezer with my .223 than I ever have with my high power calibers (and that was dog hunting). But I was “sure” of my shot before pulling the trigger with the little guy…even as a youngster. When I shot I expected meat on the ground. I found myself taking riskier shots with the bigger ‘canons’. The .22 really helped train shot placement.
Angry? Im not angry. I stated above that the 223 will kill deer. I was just giving the guy making the post a different opinion. And in my opinion your bringing a knife to a gun fight. There is no way in that hard head of yours that you don’t think he’d be better off with a hi power rifle. But as you said to each there own. Also I don’t know where your from salty. But where I’m from you have to leave the deer where it lays regardless. Wish we could because it would feed some familys for sure but we can’t. I myself could care less what you shot. I hope you kill as many as those modified billy goats as possible. My beans look like a lawn mower went over them on
about three. Im sorry if I came across as upset it was obviously another failed joke.
Which im not surprised. Lol happy hunting.
I had my oldest son (8 last year) dialed in with the .223. I felt pretty confident that the Barnes 45 gr. would wreck the insides with a shoulder shot. I drew a deer silhouette on cardboard and he was driving tacks on it at 100 yards (made sure he understood the importance of placement). I was going to let him take his first deer with .223, but surprisingly to me he said he wanted to try the next larger size. I have a compact .243 that he was just as comfortable with, which made me less worried about a lost kill early in his hunting career. He dropped a nanny on Christmas day with his (previously mine ) .243 and he’s looking forward to putting more on the ground this year. I personally would only recommend letting a youth use a .243, but to each their own. I wouldn’t want a buck of a lifetime out 150-200 yrs with only a .223 in hand.
In the hunter’s education class, they teach you that a “head shot” is NOT a recommended shot for a clean kill. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it’s based on the fact, that the deer might move his head as you squeeze the trigger, and then you just happen to blow off his jaw bone. That’s not a clean kill in anyone’s book.
In the hunter’s education class, they teach you that a “head shot” is NOT a recommended shot for a clean kill. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it’s based on the fact, that the deer might move his head as you squeeze the trigger, and then you just happen to blow off his jaw bone. That’s not a clean kill in anyone’s book.
Gotta have an accurate rifle, know the ballistics and be able to shoot from a stable rest.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
In the hunter’s education class, they teach you that a “head shot” is NOT a recommended shot for a clean kill. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it’s based on the fact, that the deer might move his head as you squeeze the trigger, and then you just happen to blow off his jaw bone. That’s not a clean kill in anyone’s book.
Gotta have an accurate rifle, know the ballistics and be able to shoot from a stable rest.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
How do you guarantee the deer will not move his head? That seems like a lot for a "typical hunter". My dad's run a club for about 40 years now. I've seen 1000's of hunters. > 50% of them could not pull off a head shot at any reasonable distance with any kind of repeat-ability. Yes, it's sad to say that, but remember that most hunters might get the chance to shoot a deer 1 or 2 times a year and then are fighting back the adrenaline rush at that point.
Again, these are not my personal recommendations. These are from DNR.
In the hunter’s education class, they teach you that a “head shot” is NOT a recommended shot for a clean kill. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it’s based on the fact, that the deer might move his head as you squeeze the trigger, and then you just happen to blow off his jaw bone. That’s not a clean kill in anyone’s book.
Gotta have an accurate rifle, know the ballistics and be able to shoot from a stable rest.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
How do you guarantee the deer will not move his head? That seems like a lot for a "typical hunter". My dad's run a club for about 40 years now. I've seen 1000's of hunters. > 50% of them could not pull off a head shot at any reasonable distance with any kind of repeat-ability. Yes, it's sad to say that, but remember that most hunters might get the chance to shoot a deer 1 or 2 times a year and then are fighting back the adrenaline rush at that point.
Again, these are not my personal recommendations. These are from DNR.
If you want to shoot an AR go with a 6.8. It drops them like a stone. The 6.8 will allow you to use your existing lower too. Mine shoots flat out to 200 yards. It will group within a quarter at 100 yards.
I prefer a C02 powered pellet rifle with plastic tips. If you get them through the right angle in the eye, you have a straight shot to the medulla oblongata.
) .243 and he’s looking forward to putting more on the ground this year. I personally would only recommend letting a youth use a .243, but to each their own. I wouldn’t want a buck of a lifetime out 150-200 yrs with only a .223 in hand.