I usually shoot them at night so they never see it coming… How is that cruel?
07 Scout Winyah Bay 221 Yamaha F150
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Originally posted by xxmadfirexxI usually shoot them at night so they never see it coming… How is that cruel?
07 Scout Winyah Bay 221 Yamaha F150
I agree with 7 Mag. I have Savage. They never move and if they do its 20 yards. I shot a nice buck last year at 240 yards. He went 10 yards and smacked into a tree. I agree go big or go home.
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Originally posted by DroptineI agree with 7 Mag. I have Savage. They never move and if they do its 20 yards. I shot a nice buck last year at 240 yards. He went 10 yards and smacked into a tree. I agree go big or go home.
Any modern rifle from .243 up with the proper bullet and shot placement will drop them in their tracks. I killed a doe at 323yds with my 7mm08, she dropped in her tracks, 150grn Nosler BT over 45.5grns of H4350 at 2700fps MV. Shot one last night, same gun, same load at 120yds, double lunged went 75yds with a 1.5" hole in her chest. Deer do funny things when hit, a big magnum doesn’t kill any better than a SA if the bullet isn’t put in the right place. Sometimes, it is worse due to higher velocity on impact and the bullet not working at maximum expansion until it has penetrated halfway through the animal. In fact, if you are shooting BT type bullets higher velocities tend to cause the bullet to zip through whereas a little slower velocity of say 2800 fps at the muzzle will give a better expansion.
Cartridge size doesn’t make up for poor shot placement no matter what you shoot.
Note: I didn’t shoot last nights doe in the head because she was nervous acting, the light wasn’t great and she was heading back into the woods. IE: I didn’t have the opportunity to make the proper set up for the head shot.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
This was a .223 to the chest. Our deer are not big game. As the smarter people on this site say, shot placement and knowing your skill. I’ve taken a few with the .17, head shot only. I’ve had more run with the .270 through the chest than the .17 to the head. Hit a deer with a cannon and I guess you have a better chance of death than a clean through low chest shot with a .7mm. Wait… death is pretty certain, but travel before death would be the question. 
Only a little meat from the front shoulders was able to be used, but the back hams and back straps were great. Did 15lbs of jerky off the back hams.
Edit… that is the non-exit under skin wound. Tiny entrance and it pretty much exploded through the chest and opposite shoulder.
what bullet were u shooting fred?
I agree that just about any caliber can kill a deer, but when you start getting out past 200 yards…the energy (Ft-lbs) is only between 700-900 for a .223. Unless you have a rifle that YOU put that bullet exactly were you want it, I’d stick with sub 100 yard shots with that small of a caliber. My son, who is SWAT can shoot my Les Baer (.204)at 300 yards with 1/2" MOA and 1/4" at 200 and just about hole on hole at 100 yards. Now, with that being said…can I? Hell no. the point is that if he shot the .204 at 200-300 yards with a rest, he could probably hit the deer in the head, but not too many of us can. Here is a pic of him shooting it. (I blanked out his face)
John
Pathfinder 23 HPS
PGC??
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Originally posted by high lifePGC??
yes.
John
Pathfinder 23 HPS
Nice place.
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Originally posted by sniper7what bullet were u shooting fred?
Winchester 64gr power point.
For me I started out wanting the biggest and baddest to kill deer, then I went through a boredom phase and wanted to spice up the hunting experience with different rounds and calibers. Now I mostly stick to the .270 with 130 grain core locks or close stands an 1170 with 3" # 1buck shot. A .7mm and 30-06 would be my other go to deer rifles.
Wow I can’t believe some of the responses in this topic ! .22 cal should never be used for deer hunting no matter how much powder you put behind it !The .223 cal is made for people ,and varmits not for deer !
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Originally posted by striper7Wow I can’t believe some of the responses in this topic ! .22 cal should never be used for deer hunting no matter how much powder you put behind it !The .223 cal is made for people ,and varmits not for deer !
One of the more absurd comments in the entire thread. With the construction of bullets such as the Barnes TSX, Interbond, Accubond, partition, Sirrocco, AFrame, etc a heavier 75grn or so bullet in a .223/5.56 is a very capable deer round. Caliber of the bullet doesn’t kill, shot placement does. If you shoot a deer in the leg with a .416 Rigby all you do is blow it’s leg off. If you shoot a deer in the neck, heart, lungs or head with a .223 you have a dead deer.
I laugh at the guys that think you need a belted magnum to kill a whitetail. All that power doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t shoot it or flinch every time you squeeze the trigger.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
I laugh at that too. I killed a doe last Saturday with mine. Neck shot dropped her like a wet rag at 175 yds. When I took it to the processor there was one they were cleaning that both the front shoulders were hanging by the little bit of meat that was left. Waste half the deer because you have to shoot a 7mm to kill a 90lb deer? I think not.
'06 Mckee Craft
184 Marathon
DF140 Suzuki
Like has been said already. Todays selection of bonded and all copper bullets work just fine for taking Deer with a 223. Seen quite a few kids kill Deer with a high shoulder shot from a 223 or 22-250 round. Accuracy trumps horsepower no matter what " cartridge " you’re using.
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Originally posted by striper7Wow I can’t believe some of the responses in this topic ! .22 cal should never be used for deer hunting no matter how much powder you put behind it !The .223 cal is made for people ,and varmits not for deer !
One of the more absurd comments in the entire thread. With the construction of bullets such as the Barnes TSX, Interbond, Accubond, partition, Sirrocco, AFrame, etc a heavier 75grn or so bullet in a .223/5.56 is a very capable deer round. Caliber of the bullet doesn’t kill, shot placement does. If you shoot a deer in the leg with a .416 Rigby all you do is blow it’s leg off. If you shoot a deer in the neck, heart, lungs or head with a .223 you have a dead deer.
I laugh at the guys that think you need a belted magnum to kill a whitetail. All that power doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t shoot it or flinch every time you squeeze the trigger.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Ok , I’m sure life is very tough on you ,but to your point you can also kill a deer with .22 LR if you shoot it in the head , hell a pellet rifle for that matter .I’m sure you’re an expert marksman and never make bad shots , but most people do and that’s why you owe it to the animal to shoot it with a caliber with adequate FT/LBS of energy !Maybe you shoot only small little deer with your .223 but eventually it will cost you ! If the recoil is what you’re scared
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Originally posted by striper7 [ Ok , I'm sure life is very tough on you ,but to your point you can also kill a deer with .22 LR if you shoot it in the head , hell a pellet rifle for that matter .I'm sure you're an expert marksman and never make bad shots , but most people do and that's why you owe it to the animal to shoot it with a caliber with adequate FT/LBS of energy !Maybe you shoot only small little deer with your .223 but eventually it will cost you ! If the recoil is what you're scared of they make butt pads for that. By the way you would not be allowed to bring your cap gun to any reputable trophy buck outfitter !
striper7, you any connection to sniper7?
Anyway, your funny! A pellet rifle, that’s just stupid. … or is it:imp:
As for a reputable trophy buck outfitter:smiley: You even funnier!! I’d never dream of spending my hard earned money to shoot a deer out of a pen. To many around the house for that. My trophy days are long gone, I just love having the patience to wait for the perfect shot. Only hunt I may pay for would be for another elk, dang those are some tasty animals.
I’m probably the last person in this thread you want to be arguing ballistics, sectional density, kinetic energy and transfer with. No one has argued seriously that a .22LR is acceptable, no rim fire is. I know quite a few deer hunters that take deer with a .223, .204 Ruger, .222 etc. quite frankly there isn’t a lot of difference in the .223 with the proper bullet selection and a .300 Blackout or a 6.8 SPC or even a .243.
I once shot a .300 WBY loaded with 82grns of IMR7828 and a 180grn Nosler BT at around 3100fps, never killed a deer any deader than I do with a .243, .308, or the 7mm08’s that I currently use. I’ve seen more deer lost by shooters that shoot more gun than they can handle and cheap bullets in improperly sighted rifles than people that shoot moderate cartridge selections they can handle and put the bullet where it is supposed to go.
I guess next you’ll tell us that a 30-30 or 35 Rem isn’t suited for deer. Or how about #1 buckshot.
Shot placement with a quality bullet designed for penetration from a center fire cartridge of .223/5.56 caliber or greater will reduce a deer sized game animal anywhere to table fare.
Here’s a trivia question for you? What two cartridges are responsible for killing more African Elephants than any other? Hint: Both are military cartridges and only one is considered to be a deer cartridge.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Oh and Striper7 if you choose the 30’06, you’ll be wrong.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Just for the record, the SCDNR Hunter’s education class does not consider a “head shot” attempt a reasonable means to make a “clean kill”… Reason is that the head can be a moving target. You miss by a few inches and blow the jaw off and animal starves to death. Look it up…