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Originally posted by Phin

Guess I should have said

“EXCLUSIVELY conceal carry”

An open carry commands respect from those who don’t have a gun themselves. Yes or no?

Or is LE open carrying merely as SkinneeJ said for marked cars, “to make people feel safe?”

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Skinnee didn't say that they open carry to make people feel safe. He said that marked cars make people feel safe... In other words, if you see cops driving around your neighborhood, you feel like they are watching over things.

Why would a cop exclusively conceal his weapon if he is already wearing a uniform? The uniform already gives up the element of surprise. The uniform already tells someone “I probably have a gun, approach me with caution”.

I don’t think an open carry demands respect - depending on what the attackers motives are. If they are a purse snatcher, then yes, they probably wouldn’t mess with you. But if they are murderous scumbags looking for a new weapon, I think you put your life in danger depending on the environment.

In my mind, if I am a 25 year old, 270 lb criminal and I see a 65 year old 130 lb man (or woman) carrying a pistol, I know that if I want it, I can take it. My strategy would be to play it cool, act like nothing is wrong, and then when I got in attack distance, be up on them and knock them to the ground before they knew what hit them. I would think that if a criminal thought you were unarmed, his natural tendency (false confidence) could play into your favor and open up opportunities for defense that wouldn’t be present if they blind sided you.

Do you think if you open carried through this neighborhood, you would “command respect”?

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One of the benefits of carrying concealed is the fact you don’t draw unwanted attention to yourself and, in case things go south, you can still defend yourself and typically will hold the element of surprise as a strategic tactical advantage. Open carry does nothing more than put all eyes on you where ever you go. Sadly, most people open carrying want the attention anyway…typically because they don’t know any better.

To echo Skinnee, the uniform and marked car are usually the “attention getter.” The hip-holstered sidearm is assumed. If you plan something unlawful and you can look around the room and visually identify who is carrying, you can alter your plan and adjust accordingly, but if you can’t identify who is carrying and who isn’t, your potential adversaries a much larger group and will give you more to think about.

Earn it everyday…

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Originally posted by Phin

So let me get this straight…

You want to conceal a weapon to maintain the element of surprise?

Why don’t all cops conceal carry then? Why have any cop in uniform or in a marked squad car?

A “thug” is more likely to come after someone who is openly carrying than someone who appears not to be carrying?

Really? These people do not think rationally like you are right now sitting at your keyboard or reading your phone. The goal is to take whatever they’re after and get away with it. How you enter into the equation can be drastically different- depending on how quickly you want to act and whether you want to do whatever it takes to win a gun fight or not.

I have been looking at the ballistic coeficients of some of the hornady 5.56/.223 rounds btw. They’re right up there with some .243 rounds. I think I will follow in Fred’s footsteps and challenge myself with killing stuff with more patient shots.
However, when I am hunting a trophy, you better believe I will have the 7RM with me. Grouper fishing with 50lb line is fine, but dropping a 2lb live bait on said 50lb line is just not very smart…
I don’t like spending a lot of time in pursuit of something and setting myself up for failure.

Have seen a 200lb buck shot three times thru the vitals with a 30.06 and then go 200yds thru a cut down and still be alive an hour later. Have seen a buck shiver and walk off after being shot in the head with a 22LR as well. I won’t even get into what I have seen deer do after being shot with buckshot, especially older bucks. I have a 9pt that I shot 7 times with 3" magnum 000’s. The deer had over 20 pellets in his fwd flanks, chest and neck when we skinned him. Besides the kill shot at close range, only about 3 pellets went past skeletal muscle. All the shots were made with the deer inside of 25yds.
A BB gun can kill a deer, but what’s

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I see what you did there. Lol!

Earn it everyday…