quote:Only someone who is a card carrying member of the "liberal gun control agenda" would refer to a law abiding CWP holder as "trained." In the state mandated CWP course (excluding those shade tree instructors offering a CWP course) the only "training" you receive is the classroom session that covers the legalities of having a CWP. There is zero firearms training. The "range" portion of the CWP course is just to demonstrate firearm proficiency. It's not a marksmanship course by any means. You only have to hit the target with 70% of your shots. That's hardly any sort of firearms "training."
In GA you don’t even have to do that. No course is required at all, no marksmanship proficiency test, no nothing except paying $87 at the courthouse for application, background check and finger printing fees.
Shouldn’t even need that IMO. The 1st. amendment gives us freedom of speech, assembly and religion. I don’t have to buy a permit to go to church, or take a test on God. Or to speak my mind. The 3rd. says that soldiers can’t move into my house. I don’t have to buy a permit to keep soldiers out of my house either. Why do we have to pay or take a course for our 2nd. amendment rights that are automatically granted us as US citizens??
Edit: Just to stay somewhat on topic, my Grandaddy killed many a deer with a flashlight and a .22LR
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Only someone who is a card carrying member of the “liberal gun control agenda” would refer to a law abiding CWP holder as “trained.” In the state mandated CWP course (excluding those shade tree instructors offering a CWP course) the only “training” you receive is the classroom session that covers the legalities of having a CWP. There is zero firearms training. The “range” portion of the CWP course is just to demonstrate firearm proficiency. It’s not a marksmanship course by any means. You only have to hit the target with 70% of your shots. That’s hardly any sort of firearms “training.”
Be careful, your paranoia smells eerily similar to the same rhetoric and paranoia the “liberal gun control agenda” tries to push on the uninformed. The fact that you use a “loophole” to carry a firearm doesn’t help your case either. That said, I hope you’re successful in your armadillo hunts. I hear their shells block brainwashing signals used by the federal government. This message will self-destruct…
Earn it everyday…
Easy on the “Wow just Wow” crap pee wee. In the eyes of the LAW a CWP holder is “trained”, like it or not.
I don’t agree with that and in the 8 hour course I took It was a decent introductory course with a great instructor. No real training could ever be done in 8 hours to teach a man or woman to shot another human being. So easy on your accusations. A life time of training isn’t enough for some people. It takes a special person and special circumstances to shoot another human. Just so you understand I know 8 hours of training doesn’t cover that.
“wow just wow” easy on the knee jerk! and a loop hole??!!! Bull**** on that. No loop Hole, a way of life. Get a clue.
quote:Only someone who is a card carrying member of the "liberal gun control agenda" would refer to a law abiding CWP holder as "trained." In the state mandated CWP course (excluding those shade tree instructors offering a CWP course) the only "training" you receive is the classroom session that covers the legalities of having a CWP. There is zero firearms training. The "range" portion of the CWP course is just to demonstrate firearm proficiency. It's not a marksmanship course by any means. You only have to hit the target with 70% of your shots. That's hardly any sort of firearms "training."
In GA you don’t even have to do that. No course is required at all, no marksmanship proficiency test, no nothing except paying $87 at the courthouse for application, background check and finger printing fees.
Shouldn’t even need that IMO. The 1st. amendment gives us freedom of speech, assembly and religion. I don’t have to buy a permit to go to church, or take a test on God. Or to speak my mind. The 3rd. says that soldiers can’t move into my house. I don’t have to buy a permit to keep soldiers out of my house either. Why do we have to pay or take a course for our 2nd. amendment rights that are automatically granted us as US citizens??
Edit: Just to stay somewhat on topic, my Grandaddy killed many a deer with a flashlight and a .22LR
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
For the record, I never said everyone and anyone should have to have a permit but the fact remains, you need on
When you are set against something, you dig in deep. Nothing wrong with killing a deer with a .223, you just want to side with an agency that says it is not the best choice.
Edit: Flatter myself? No, that’s not me. I’m too modest for flattery:sunglasses: What’s with the cwp analogy?
Fred, you should realize when someone is just ribbing you. I never gave any logical argument as to why a .223 is bad. I'm just having fun at your expense. I am not "digging in deep" on anything here.
As far as the cwp analogy… My whole joke has been that a .223 is not a “man’s gun”. I then asked you if you were going to trade in your sidearm for a can of pink pepper spray. Is it that hard to see that I am suggesting that is what a woman would do? If you shoot a woman’s rifle, wouldn’t it be reasonable to think you carry a can of pink pepper spray as well?
Don’t take it personal. It’s not meant to be. If you feel more comfortable hunting in yoga pants, with a women’s rifle, I don’t see anything wrong with it. Lot’s of women and pre-pubescent kids hunt with a .223. I never said there was anything wrong with it.
Only someone who is a card carrying member of the “liberal gun control agenda” would refer to a law abiding CWP holder as “trained.” In the state mandated CWP course (excluding those shade tree instructors offering a CWP course) the only “training” you receive is the classroom session that covers the legalities of having a CWP. There is zero firearms training. The “range” portion of the CWP course is just to demonstrate firearm proficiency. It’s not a marksmanship course by any means. You only have to hit the target with 70% of your shots. That’s hardly any sort of firearms “training.”
Be careful, your paranoia smells eerily similar to the same rhetoric and paranoia the “liberal gun control agenda” tries to push on the uninformed. The fact that you use a “loophole” to carry a firearm doesn’t help your case either. That said, I hope you’re successful in your armadillo hunts. I hear their shells block brainwashing signals used by the federal government. This message will self-destruct…
Earn it everyday…
Easy on the “Wow just Wow” crap pee wee. In the eyes of the LAW a CWP holder is “trained”, like it or not.
I don’t agree with that and in the 8 hour course I took It was a decent introductory course with a great instructor. No real training could ever be done in 8 hours to teach a man or woman to shot another human being. So easy on your accusations. A life time of training isn’t enough for some people. It takes a special person and special circumstances to shoot another human. Just so you understand I know 8 hours of training doesn’t cover that.
I am not sure why being allowed to carry a weapon when on the way to/from/during hunting or fishing is a “loophole.” Is carrying a weapon on my own property a loophole as well?
I am not sure why being allowed to carry a weapon when on the way to/from/during hunting or fishing is a “loophole.” Is carrying a weapon on my own property a loophole as well?
I would assume that depends on where you live. Back when I lived in town I was cleaning my shotgun outside on a beautiful fall afternoon to avoid stinking up my mama’s house and it took the police about 7 minutes to arrive after her neighbor called them on me. At the house now that’s a non issue.
Seems to me that a CWP allowing you to concealed carry has nothing to do with being able to open carry when hunting or fishing. Again, I don’t see how one is a loophole for the law pertaining to the other.
Seems to me that a CWP allowing you to concealed carry has nothing to do with being able to open carry when hunting or fishing. Again, I don’t see how one is a loophole for the law pertaining to the other.
Because Fred mentioned he uses the excuse of going to hunt/fish as a means to open carry. The regulation wasn’t put in place to be used as an excuse, or loophole, for people to simply be able to open carry. Plus, as I mentioned, that regulation does no one any good if you decide to take the little lady out for dinner, unlike being able to legally carry concealed. To say “I’m on my way to the hunt club to hunt or lake to fish” when actually you’re not, just so you can open carry a firearm is in fact finding a loophole. It’s also lying to law enforcement if stopped and questioned but that’s a whole other situation. Too many people want to be cowboys and have a gun on their hip and will go to extraordinary means to do so. There’s a huge responsibility carrying a firearm and, in my opinion, taking advantage of a loophole in a regulation just to be able to carry is in fact irresponsible. Again, this is just my opinion on the matter. I believe the law abiding citizen already to has to jump through more hoops than they should have to just to purchase a firearm, let alone what they have to do to be able to carry one for protection. That said, I will do what the law requires of me to be able to continue to purchase firearms and carry one for protection.
Seems to me that a CWP allowing you to concealed carry has nothing to do with being able to open carry when hunting or fishing. Again, I don’t see how one is a loophole for the law pertaining to the other.
Because Fred mentioned he uses the excuse of going to hunt/fish as a means to open carry. The regulation wasn’t put in place to be used as an excuse, or loophole, for people to simply be able to open carry. Plus, as I mentioned, that regulation does no one any good if you decide to take the little lady out for dinner, unlike being able to legally carry concealed. To say “I’m on my way to the hunt club to hunt or lake to fish” when actually you’re not, just so you can open carry a firearm is in fact finding a loophole. It’s also lying to law enforcement if stopped and questioned but that’s a whole other situation. Too many people want to be cowboys and have a gun on their hip and will go to extraordinary means to do so. There’s a huge responsibility carrying a firearm and, in my opinion, taking advantage of a loophole in a regulation just to be able to carry is in fact irresponsible. Again, this is just my opinion on the matter. I believe the law abiding citizen already to has to jump through more hoops than they should have to just to purchase a firearm, let alone what they have to do to be able to carry one for protection. That said, I will do what the law requires of me to be able to continue to purchase firearms and carry one for protection.
quote: If you shoot a woman's rifle, wouldn't it be reasonable to think you carry a can of pink pepper spray as well?
My wife carries a 9mm, not pink pepper spray. And she’s pretty good with it too
quote:Being paranoid has saved my ass a few times.
Mine too, although I prefer to call it being cautious and prepared. I’d rather not carry open either, but I do sometimes in SC because they don’t have reciprocity with GA and about the only time I go there is to fish or hunt anyway.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
You want to conceal a weapon to maintain the element of surprise?
Why don’t all cops conceal carry then? Why have any cop in uniform or in a marked squad car?
A “thug” is more likely to come after someone who is openly carrying than someone who appears not to be carrying?
Really? These people do not think rationally like you are right now sitting at your keyboard or reading your phone. The goal is to take whatever they’re after and get away with it. How you enter into the equation can be drastically different- depending on how quickly you want to act and whether you want to do whatever it takes to win a gun fight or not.
I have been looking at the ballistic coeficients of some of the hornady 5.56/.223 rounds btw. They’re right up there with some .243 rounds. I think I will follow in Fred’s footsteps and challenge myself with killing stuff with more patient shots.
However, when I am hunting a trophy, you better believe I will have the 7RM with me. Grouper fishing with 50lb line is fine, but dropping a 2lb live bait on said 50lb line is just not very smart…
I don’t like spending a lot of time in pursuit of something and setting myself up for failure.
Have seen a 200lb buck shot three times thru the vitals with a 30.06 and then go 200yds thru a cut down and still be alive an hour later. Have seen a buck shiver and walk off after being shot in the head with a 22LR as well. I won’t even get into what I have seen deer do after being shot with buckshot, especially older bucks. I have a 9pt that I shot 7 times with 3" magnum 000’s. The deer had over 20 pellets in his fwd flanks, chest and neck when we skinned him. Besides the kill shot at close range, only about 3 pellets went past skeletal muscle. All the shots were made with the deer inside of 25yds.
A BB gun can kill a deer, but what’s the probability of that?
You want to conceal a weapon to maintain the element of surprise?
Why don’t all cops conceal carry then? Why have any cop in uniform or in a marked squad car?
A “thug” is more likely to come after someone who is openly carrying than someone who appears not to be carrying?
Really? These people do not think rationally like you are right now sitting at your keyboard or reading your phone. The goal is to take whatever they’re after and get away with it. How you enter into the equation can be drastically different- depending on how quickly you want to act and whether you want to do whatever it takes to win a gun fight or not.
I never said a thug is "more likely" to come after someone who is openly carrying. You said that. I only implied that if I was in a situation where someone DID come after me, I would not want to give up the tactical advantage of "the element of surprise".
Not sure about nowadays, maybe DFreedom could answer, but back before police departments were heavily militarized, many cops did carry a second firearm concealed as a backup. You tell me, why did they carry it concealed when they are already wearing a uniform and have a pistol hanging from their side???
Cops are not always on “defense”. They get a call and roll up on a hot situation with the firearms drawn and ready for business. That’s a lot different than me and the wife walking down a dark street where 2 guys pop out from behind the bushes.
A cop probably wants a “duty weapon” that’s full size, not a concealable model. The full size weapons are easier to aim (longer barrel = better sight picture) and more rounds. Bigger weapons are harder to conceal.
Michael Brown (Ferguson thug) actually wrestled with the police officer with a hand
Just playing devil’s advocate for anyone supporting any argument that _____ or _____ is always the best way to do it.
There’s a time and place for everything, but one thing is true in every case. A gun comes with its disadvantages as well as advantages no matter what size or how it’s carried. You’ve got to understand that or else you’ll get yourself or someone else hurt (unintentionally).
Just playing devil’s advocate for anyone supporting any argument that _____ or _____ is always the best way to do it.
There’s a time and place for everything, but one thing is true in every case. A gun comes with its disadvantages as well as advantages no matter what size or how it’s carried. You’ve got to understand that or else you’ll get yourself or someone else hurt (unintentionally).
Fair enough. I agree, there is no fool proof method. But you gotta pick one! You either have a gun, or you don't. You either conceal your weapon or you don't!
Seems to me that a CWP allowing you to concealed carry has nothing to do with being able to open carry when hunting or fishing. Again, I don’t see how one is a loophole for the law pertaining to the other.
Because Fred mentioned he uses the excuse of going to hunt/fish as a means to open carry. The regulation wasn’t put in place to be used as an excuse, or loophole, for people to simply be able to open carry. Plus, as I mentioned, that regulation does no one any good if you decide to take the little lady out for dinner, unlike being able to legally carry concealed. To say “I’m on my way to the hunt club to hunt or lake to fish” when actually you’re not, just so you can open carry a firearm is in fact finding a loophole. It’s also lying to law enforcement if stopped and questioned but that’s a whole other situation. Too many people want to be cowboys and have a gun on their hip and will go to extraordinary means to do so. There’s a huge responsibility carrying a firearm and, in my opinion, taking advantage of a loophole in a regulation just to be able to carry is in fact irresponsible. Again, this is just my opinion on the matter. I believe the law abiding citizen already to has to jump through more hoops than they should have to just to purchase a firearm, let alone what they have to do to be able to carry one for protection. That said, I will do what the law requires o
You want to conceal a weapon to maintain the element of surprise?
Why don’t all cops conceal carry then? Why have any cop in uniform or in a marked squad car?
A “thug” is more likely to come after someone who is openly carrying than someone who appears not to be carrying?
Really? These people do not think rationally like you are right now sitting at your keyboard or reading your phone. The goal is to take whatever they’re after and get away with it. How you enter into the equation can be drastically different- depending on how quickly you want to act and whether you want to do whatever it takes to win a gun fight or not.
I have been looking at the ballistic coeficients of some of the hornady 5.56/.223 rounds btw. They’re right up there with some .243 rounds. I think I will follow in Fred’s footsteps and challenge myself with killing stuff with more patient shots.
However, when I am hunting a trophy, you better believe I will have the 7RM with me. Grouper fishing with 50lb line is fine, but dropping a 2lb live bait on said 50lb line is just not very smart…
I don’t like spending a lot of time in pursuit of something and setting myself up for failure.
Have seen a 200lb buck shot three times thru the vitals with a 30.06 and then go 200yds thru a cut down and still be alive an hour later. Have seen a buck shiver and walk off after being shot in the head with a 22LR as well. I won’t even get into what I have seen deer do after being shot with buckshot, especially older bucks. I have a 9pt that I shot 7 times with 3" magnum 000’s. The deer had over 20 pellets in his fwd flanks, chest and neck when we skinned him. Besides the kill shot at close range, only about 3 pellets went past skeletal muscle. All the shots were made with the deer inside of 25yds.
A BB gun can kill a deer, but
easy on the knee jerk! and a loop hole??!!! Bull**** on that. No loop Hole, a way of life. Get a clue.