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#2025 Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Thanks. Please keep sharing with who you can. We do not want to be sitting around telling our kids how we didn’t do what we could have when precedent was being set for whiping us off the water.
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#2035. I also posted for them to fine BP for their negligence and get all the money they wanted
The government and corrupt orgs are not going to bite the financial hands that feed them, unfortunately.
Any org that is publically against what this petition is for or either not publically supporting what this petition is for… I DARE YOU to research 1)who founded the orgs / where their money came from and 2) who now actually controls the orgs / where the money comes from
I have already found enough lobbying disclosure funds and non-fiction sources of info to know what’s going on, but it takes way too long for anyone to read what I say it seems, much less act upon it. I figure just asking people to think about it might be a little easier. It all makes perfect sense if you think about it. All you have to do is think about who makes more money if there are less fishermen people who care most about fish OFF the water.
It’s not coincidence when the people you imagine show up as the people politically and financially in bed with who is hurting us.
Nobody is going to stop what is happening except the public and true grass roots, and that means more people have to realize what’s happening. If not, I can promise you the people controlling the decisions up til now will have no pity or remorse for us and no concern for the actual fish in the ocean whatsoever…
Why should they?
It’s all a game.
$$$$$.
They want ours, and they want for us not to complain about our multibillion dollar a year sportfishing industry getting hurt by what they’d rather make money doing with the ocean and coast…
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Please share with as many folks as possible ASAP.
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Thought I’d post some more stuff here since intuition is telling me who else is looking at this thread but would never sign the petition because of affiliations or employment with the orgs or corps that want badly for the public not to know the truth.
Someone posted on another forum, “The bald truth is: fish stocks everywhere are but a shadow of their historic levels. If the commercial people were less rapacious, there would be no talk about broad closures.”
I see this above, and I am not attacking the author of this statement in any way here. I want to stay focused on what the truth really is and what it is not. There is a lot of misinformation around this issue, and I feel that some other facts need to be shared.
I disagree with the above quote very strongly to the extent that commercial folks here are what is actually a shadow of their former selves and that fish stocks are not shadows of their former selves. Fish stocks have been rebuilding steadily since science based restrictions and conservation minded fishermen have become more the norm than the exception. The data shows what I am saying to be true in general.
The exceptions are very striking examples of severe overfishing that really must be stopped, i.e. tuna, cod, etc.-
Less than 25% of marine fish stocks are defined as “overfished” or undergoing “overfishing” even according to the government’s very lax and unscientific standards and arbitrary timelines for taking action.
We have all been fed lies by a variety of sources over the years- I regretfully must tell you. The lies may have been very passionately and strongly believed or even true in the past, but continuance of the same beliefs without recognition of what’s going on around you is arrogance. No other name for it. Arrogance and pride, actually. There may be right to be proud, but arrogant?
I can actually name organizations, but I’d rather you research on your own to come to an independent conclusion. I’ll give you a hint, though. Consider a well-known conservatio
Also- I see folks saying we should just let this happen until targets are reached.
We should just eat this for 35 years? You’re telling me I should accept this CRAP science that says I cannot catch a red snapper for 35 years when I can go catch over a dozen on any calm day in my 21ft boat right now? Give me a good spring or fall day without afternoon T storms in my 21ft boat, and I will catch red snapper over 20lbs every time.
I fish out of Gtown, Charleston, Edisto, and before the “emergency” closure of red snapper, I’d fish for snapper only 4-5 times per year. It is my favorite fish to catch. I am good at catching them, but I assure you there are many much better than me. When I can limit on them in under an hour with my single engine small center console and 3-4 people aboard, and I can go target bigger ones and actually be successful - again- in my small center console - every time the weather allows, then I am sorry I am not going to just let the government continue down this path where they say that for 35 years I cannot keep a single one and now- fish for- red snapper at all.
I’m sorry for that. Truly.
You can tell me that this is a good thing, and that in 5 years some new studies will show they’re overpopulated and that we’ll be better off, but that is WRONG. People’s families and livelihoods are being hurt by this very seriously. I am not talking about just the mom and pop commercial fishermen who built our coastal communities only to get pushed out now. I’m talking about charter guys, guys that insure recreational boats, sell tackle, sell motors, sell bait, sell hotel rooms. loan money for boats. Every dollar counts.
SC is #5 in the nation for out of state recreational fishing destinations. You know what shape this state’s economy is in and how badly we need our coastal tourism?
That’s the whole point though, isn’t it. Feed the bitter pill to us now… only the strong will survive the BS government action. The get rich quicker when the govt ever backs off the over regulation.
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Read every word of it Phin, Very well stated! You state it a lot better then I do about understanding why in the name of all that is good in this world some of the local orginizations/companies would not sign the petition. And, I agree 100% with you on it being horsesh@t on thier part, but it seems some of the ‘local’ and non local org’s/co’s, have thier hands/interests in ‘others pockets’ a bit too deep which is a crying shame as it should be about the long term sustainibility of species based on accurate science, nothing more, nothing less. They may think thier ‘hands’ are in the right place, but IMO thier morals are way skewed, shame on them.
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- Its a big ocean. ell them to go elsewhere:angry:
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“Nobody is going to stop what is happening except the public and true grass roots, and that means more people have to realize what’s happening. If not, I can promise you the people controlling the decisions up til now will have no pity or remorse for us and no concern for the actual fish in the ocean whatsoever…” – Phin - Most profound statement of all.
I’m from Orangeburg and been lurking this site for 3-4 yrs now and feel a response is in order. I am saddened to the fact that, IMO, I feel there will be no satisfactory result to the plight of the Atlantic coast fishing community. I am not that intelligent, but not stupid, to see that what is happening here is happening around the country. Look at all the livelihoods of everyone around you. Many of them are already feeling the pain of this economic crisis and will be burdened further by the hardships of the fishing community. Besides the bankers, stock brokers and politicians, who is happy with their financial well being anywhere in this country?
Educating the public is the true course to enacting possible change to this local dilemma, however, beyond these coastal states, how many people and politicians does it take to possibly influence the money barons Phin speaks of? People inland, throughout the country, don’t know or give a rat’s arse about us coastal folks. I do not believe, throughout the country, there are enough Atlantic off-shore fishing vacationers to make a difference, once they find out they can’t fish here anymore. They will probably go to some other coast that big brother has not yet claimed or polluted. My point is, I do not believe there are enough concerned (educated) folks to stop these closures. Look what BP has done – has anybody stopped it yet?
Someone please convince me that I am wrong.
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-when is the exact date that we are going to find out the fate of the offshore closures?
Red snapper ban extended indefinitely!!
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/jun/10/red-snapper-ban-extended-indefinitely/