for 2015 and a 916 % increase by 2019.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
I must be reading this wrong. They’re saying that the populations are doing so well that the recreational guys can take 23000+ Lbs of fish instead of 4400 lbs but can only keep fish from May to August instead of keeping one fish year round? And the commercial guys can take twice as much fish?
How is the proposed limit of one fish from May to August going to increase the amount of fish taken by the recreational guys?
This fits in with their goal of proposed SMZ’s (special management zones), whereby small spawning aggregation areas will be closed but the overall quota can be increased. They’re wanting to move towards more closed areas rather than so many seasonal closures. Could be a combination of both that work well. As you know, fish like this can’t be released with much success by the avg fisherman.
Next Monday and Tuesday, the SAFMC snapper-grouper AP is looking at all this. I will report back with what happens.
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quote:It's not adding up for me either. Did they get it backwards?
Originally posted by RapchizzleI must be reading this wrong. They’re saying that the populations are doing so well that the recreational guys can take 23000+ Lbs of fish instead of 4400 lbs but can only keep fish from May to August instead of keeping one fish year round? And the commercial guys can take twice as much fish?
How is the proposed limit of one fish from May to August going to increase the amount of fish taken by the recreational guys?
Basically they are saying they are giving us an increase by making the season shorter???
“Modify the recreational fishing season for snowy grouper from 1 per vessel per day year-round to 1 per vessel per day from May through August with no recreational retention during the rest of the year”
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:It's not adding up for me either. Did they get it backwards?
Originally posted by RapchizzleI must be reading this wrong. They’re saying that the populations are doing so well that the recreational guys can take 23000+ Lbs of fish instead of 4400 lbs but can only keep fish from May to August instead of keeping one fish year round? And the commercial guys can take twice as much fish?
How is the proposed limit of one fish from May to August going to increase the amount of fish taken by the recreational guys?
Basically they are saying they are giving us an increase by making the season shorter???
“Modify the recreational fishing season for snowy grouper from 1 per vessel per day year-round to 1 per vessel per day from May through August with no recreational retention during the rest of the year”
Common Core scoring method…jeez is evbody jus plain dumb?
Also, if you only can keep snowies May-August, this very much limits targeting the other fish at that depth before then.
GT’s usually close in June and I’m pretty sure they are trying to stop recreational fishing one species at a time.
I think NMFS would declare open season on all species, no size or catch limits, 12 month fishery, and people would still complain.
The three month summer season might have (I’m guessing here) come out of the snapper grouper AP committee. In 2014 it took until early June to catch the 523 individual fish quota. I’m making an assumption that down south it is a much shorter run to 400ft++ of water, so the most of the quota was probably being caught down south. By shifting the season to the summer, us guys up north can actually fish more days for them. Is the one fish per day lacking? Yep, but I’ll go to Monday’s meeting an complain there.
Rapchizzle, very few of the ACL’s are 50/50 between commercial and recreational sectors. For example, for dolphin fish the rec ACL is 14 million lbs, the commercial ACL is 1.1 million lbs. The ACL’s are equally skewed towards the recreational sector for Wahoo and Cobia.
Hope to see everyone at the meeting Monday.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
Currently it takes 5-6 months to fulfill the quota.
If you increase this quota 6x, it should support year round fishing.
Interesting point about the Mahi quota. The SAFMC gets hard numbers from the commercial guys - they have factual catch numbers because they can only sell to a licensed seafood dealer and there is a paper trail. With rec fishers everything is only a guess. NEVER NEVER has my catch been counted for stock assessment. And I have fished probably longer than most everyone on this site has been alive. People complain when the SAFMC stacks reg on top of reg with no real science to back it up - With the fishermen saying they see so many. The BSB restriction is an excellent example. SFMAC “guessers” told us all that BSB were in short supply. Within a relatively short time they claimed that they had saved the fish and restored the stock. BSB’s are the cockroaches of the ocean.
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Originally posted by Beaufort BoyI think NMFS would declare open season on all species, no size or catch limits, 12 month fishery, and people would still complain.
The three month summer season might have (I’m guessing here) come out of the snapper grouper AP committee. In 2014 it took until early June to catch the 523 individual fish quota. I’m making an assumption that down south it is a much shorter run to 400ft++ of water, so the most of the quota was probably being caught down south. By shifting the season to the summer, us guys up north can actually fish more days for them. Is the one fish per day lacking? Yep, but I’ll go to Monday’s meeting an complain there.
Rapchizzle, very few of the ACL’s are 50/50 between commercial and recreational sectors. For example, for dolphin fish the rec ACL is 14 million lbs, the commercial ACL is 1.1 million lbs. The ACL’s are equally skewed towards the recreational sector for Wahoo and Cobia.
Hope to see everyone at the meeting Monday.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
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quote:You suggest that we are "complaining". I'm just trying to understand the wording. It says we are getting an *increase*. Number of fish are staying the same and the season is going from year long to 4 month season. What am I missing? How is that an increase when they are shortening the season?
Originally posted by Beaufort BoyI think NMFS would declare open season on all species, no size or catch limits, 12 month fishery, and people would still complain.
The three month summer season might have (I’m guessing here) come out of the snapper grouper AP committee. In 2014 it took until early June to catch the 523 individual fish quota. I’m making an assumption that down south it is a much shorter run to 400ft++ of water, so the most of the quota was probably being caught down south. By shifting the season to the summer, us guys up north can actually fish more days for them. Is the one fish per day lacking? Yep, but I’ll go to Monday’s meeting an complain there.
Rapchizzle, very few of the ACL’s are 50/50 between commercial and recreational sectors. For example, for dolphin fish the rec ACL is 14 million lbs, the commercial ACL is 1.1 million lbs. The ACL’s are equally skewed towards the recreational sector for Wahoo and Cobia.
Hope to see everyone at the meeting Monday.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:You suggest that we are "complaining". I'm just trying to understand the wording. It says we are getting an *increase*. Number of fish are staying the same and the season is going from year long to 4 month season. What am I missing? How is that an increase when they are shortening the season?
Originally posted by Beaufort BoyI think NMFS would declare open season on all species, no size or catch limits, 12 month fishery, and people would still complain.
The three month summer season might have (I’m guessing here) come out of the snapper grouper AP committee. In 2014 it took until early June to catch the 523 individual fish quota. I’m making an assumption that down south it is a much shorter run to 400ft++ of water, so the most of the quota was probably being caught down south. By shifting the season to the summer, us guys up north can actually fish more days for them. Is the one fish per day lacking? Yep, but I’ll go to Monday’s meeting an complain there.
Rapchizzle, very few of the ACL’s are 50/50 between commercial and recreational sectors. For example, for dolphin fish the rec ACL is 14 million lbs, the commercial ACL is 1.1 million lbs. The ACL’s are equally skewed towards the recreational sector for Wahoo and Cobia.
Hope to see everyone at the meeting Monday.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
That’s government math.
That’s why this country is going broke and yet we still keep spending, spending, spending.
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I believe I was the only member of the public that attended yesterday’s meeting. Many council members, advisory panel members, and several DNR staff were there, but no general public.
I spoke to Ben Hartig (council chairperson) about Snowy Grouper was that the four month season came about due to input from Public Hearings and from Snapper Grouper AP. The public hearings for this issue were last year. Please see the first sentence in this post about no one showing up. If bag limits were increased, but the season opened in January, the entire increased quota would probably be caught in southern waters. By opening it in the summer season when the weather is much nicer and fisherman are already out fishing the deep waters anyway, anglers like us to the north will have the opportunity to deep drop for snowys.
Regarding the Spawning Zone Closures, Council is requesting input on IF there should be any and WHERE these should go. They had detailed maps about where spawning aggregations of large grouper are ocurring. We then broke into small work groups, where given blank charts, and then debated the pro’s and con’s of the IF’s and WHERE’s. I thought it was a great meeting and wish more people participated in it.
There are more public hearings being held via webinar next week at Ft Johnson.
Sea Hunt 207CC,Yam F150
Carolina Skiff (old school model)17’ Suz D50
Okay, I think I understand now. That being said, where is the “increase”? It sounds like they just shifted where the catching will happen. Are they under the assumption that because they made the fishing season more available to SC fisherman that we are all lining up at the starting gates and going to take off like Seabiscuit when the season opens? I doubt there will be a ton of participation up here.
Honestly, I don’t think many people are going to fuel up the boat, purchase an $1200 electric reel, run 70 miles to catch one fish. Maybe in the south where they only have to run a few miles. But for SC, a 1 fish per boat is still a complete closure in my mind. I know, I know, you want me to be grateful that a bread crumb fell off of the dinner table and I can eat it. I should just wag my tail and be happy and be glad they gave me a bread crumb. You made that pretty clear with your statement: “I think NMFS would declare open season on all species, no size or catch limits, 12 month fishery, and people would still complain”. Just remember, the limit used to be 5 per person.
That being said, it would be nice to get more participation at the meetings. I’ve been to many of the big ones that involve species that I catch. I’ve never fished for snowies because of the restrictions on them make it not worth my while. When you say “large grouper”, I assume you are referring to snowies? Or are you referring to shallow water species as well?
Also, one more thing… Whatever the regulations are, they should probably line up warsaw and snowy. I don’t know that many people can tell the difference between a young warsaw and a mature snowy. Otherwise, someone might float 5 warsaws before they find a snowy.
Don’t need electric reel…bought a Kristal…and used it maybe 3 times before switching back to bent butt/avet 50 combo.
Haven’t even fished for them in years as it is pretty much pointless now.
Increasing the snowy limit to 1 is not an increase. Plain old fuel economy protects that 1 snowy. People got a bad taste of the public input meeting charade during the Cupka - Waugh years. The decision was already made before the public comments were considered. I saw Cupka fall asleep at one public input meeting.
Sucks, but it’s better than nothing. We got a few Snowy holes we hit after the troll is over.
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Just doing my part to wipe out the species in the Lower Keys.
Electric reels are for sissies.
