I usually fish my saragosa 4000 on a 7ft stellar light. my question is, shimano only makes their bailless kits from 5k on up, would it be at all advantageous to get rid of a bail for inshore (i know it is popular in the surf and among striper) use even if it were only to remove a part that may fail or the probably negligible weight saved? and if it would be worth it, could i not just cut it off? i dont see it weighing that much so i feel like it wouldnt affect balance too much if at all but i honestly am just guessing. i dont know if this is a dumb question or not but its something ive been wondering
…would it be at all advantageous to get rid of a bail for inshore… i dont know if this is a dumb question or not but its something ive been wondering…
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>Just out of habit, I flip the bail by hand and not by the crank. Pretty much like fishing without a bail already. Try the hand flip method first. If it feels natural for you, then just pop the bail out of the two attachment points. You don’t need to cut them off. Then again… if you get use to flipping the bail by hand, you won’t notice if it’s there or not.
By flipping the bail by hand, I’m talking about flipping the bail at the base… not the bail wire.
just took it off. way too off balance when you start to reel at any greater speed. maybe i can find a weight or something to attach but in the mean time im going to leave it on
just took it off. way too off balance when you start to reel at any greater speed. maybe i can find a weight or something to attach but in the mean time im going to leave it on
There you go. Balance is the most important. But... ceiling fans are ALWAYS off balance and they fix it by sticking lead tape on the blades. Lead tape is cheap. :wink:
I have kept my bails on my reels for the balance issue. But… I switched from letting the crank flip the bail mechanism many years ago. Just use the reel as if the bail doesn’ exist and you will have an excellent cheap solution.
For what the rod is used for, leave the bail on. My opinion is that bail-less reels became popular for two reasons. One is that early spinning reels had very unreliable bail mechanisms and especially springs that would break and leave the reel unusable. Second is that using reels in the surf usually meant at some point that sand is going to get on the reel which also causes havoc. Those early surfcaster modified the reels to just do without the bail and manually pick up the line with their finger. Old habits are hard to break and the simplicity (less things to break) is hard to argue with after you have walked a mile in the dark and then scrambled across some rocks with your one rod…if something breaks your are dead in the water. True bail-less reels use a unique rotor assembly; where the bail arm would be is one solid piece with the rotor with an attachment point for the line roller. See the Penn 706Z for an example.
Unless you are a hard core surf fisherman, the reliability of modern reel bails make going bail-less more of a novelty than a necessity or improvement.
For what the rod is used for, leave the bail on. My opinion is that bail-less reels became popular for two reasons. One is that early spinning reels had very unreliable bail mechanisms and especially springs that would break and leave the reel unusable. Second is that using reels in the surf usually meant at some point that sand is going to get on the reel which also causes havoc. Those early surfcaster modified the reels to just do without the bail and manually pick up the line with their finger. Old habits are hard to break and the simplicity (less things to break) is hard to argue with after you have walked a mile in the dark and then scrambled across some rocks with your one rod…if something breaks your are dead in the water. True bail-less reels use a unique rotor assembly; where the bail arm would be is one solid piece with the rotor with an attachment point for the line roller. See the Penn 706Z for an example.
Unless you are a hard core surf fisherman, the reliability of modern reel bails make going bail-less more of a novelty than a necessity or improvement.
I just wanted to get rid of it because i always seem to trip it mid cast. not the reels fault but my own so i was just hoping to eliminate the bail all together
“I just wanted to get rid of it because I always seem to trip it mid cast. not the reels fault but my own so i was just hoping to eliminate the bail all together.” - Tarpon 1720
That’s a easy problem for an old fisherman to fix for you. There were few reel choices in the ‘ole days’. The most popular surf reel was probably the ‘ole’ green Penn spin fishing reel. Pretty much just a big hunk of steel that had fishing line wrapped around it. But, because of the laws of physics, once you put that loosely fitted assembly of painted steel in motion, inertia took over. So, if you cast the reel with the handle facing towards the butt or for 180 degrees moving forward… the handle would create enough force to rotate the handle forward and thus tripping the bail mid cast.
Easy to test if this is the cause of the bail tripping. Rotate the handle to 4 points around the reel and see where it trips and where it doesn’t while casting. Hope this helps.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>I LOVED surf fishing with the Green Penns. While I was sitting on an Igloo cooler and drinking a Miller… I solved the problem. The handle was moving forward when I whipped that rod like I was beating my red headed step child.
i almost always trip the bail with my hand, not by turning the handle. i have that handle because i have psoriatic arthritis and have trouble holding the t-bar style handles for any extended periods of time
i almost always trip the bail with my hand, not by turning the handle. i have that handle because i have psoriatic arthritis and have trouble holding the t-bar style handles for any extended periods of time
Hope you haven't taken any of the responses as negative comments. The handle doesn't look standard and looks like it it could offset the balance. Many (if not most) large spinning reels are going to be off balanced during the cast (because of torque, moment of inertia, etc...). I bet if you find the right place for the handle to rest when you whip that rod/reel setup.. it won't flip over on you and you will be able to fish the crap out of the set-up. :wink:
oh no i didn’t take it as such, i just wanted to explain that it was my hand that was tripping the bail, not the turning of the handle that tripped it. the handle is actually really light, only a few grams and as far as i can tell not any heavier than the t-bar style it came with, it just has more surface area which is more comfortable for my hand, as i dont have to sort of pinch it to hold it like i do with the t-bar. i just need to be more mindful of my hands when i cast is all i think it is. i certainly appreciate the help guys
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quote:Originally posted by Tarpon1720
i almost always trip the bail with my hand, not by turning the handle. i have that handle because i have psoriatic arthritis and have trouble holding the t-bar style handles for any extended periods of time
Hope you haven't taken any of the responses as negative comments. The handle doesn't look standard and looks like it it could offset the balance. Many (if not most) large spinning reels are going to be off balanced during the cast (because of torque, moment of inertia, etc...). I bet if you find the right place for the handle to rest when you whip that rod/reel setup.. it won't flip over on you and you will be able to fish the crap out of the set-up. :wink:
