So why not have your bait tank full of gizzards accidentally escape into Gibson pond?
Wellcraft V-20 sportfish with a 200 Evinrude
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Originally posted by steelytomSo why not have your bait tank full of gizzards accidentally escape into Gibson pond?
Wellcraft V-20 sportfish with a 200 Evinrude
Because Gibson Pond is now Gibson Creek and it will remain that way for several years until they can get all the dams rebuilt … 
Haha that’s right… anything less is still fun but…kind of like watching minor league hockey when your use to the NHL…
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Originally posted by Reality_BitesHaha that’s right… anything less is still fun but…kind of like watching minor league hockey when your use to the NHL…
ooooooookkkkaaaayyyyy … you kinda lost me on the whole Hockey thing there … but I think I understand … LOLOL
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Originally posted by Reality_BitesAnybody ever wonder why DNR use to suggest people not put Gizzard Shad in their pond for fear they would over run it? And now here we sit with no Gizzard Shad to fish with. When I lived near Lake Lanier, there were 3 or 4 ponds around that were loaded with Gizzards. I’d pay a man 2 Bucks to launch my big Sea Pro in his 11 acre pond, throw the net for an hour and catch 50 primo baits. And you would not believe the size of some of the Largemouth I would catch doing it as well… The pond was probably 5 or 6 feet deep over most of it and about 10-12 feet at the spillway…How hard would it be for Lexington County to maintain a trophy Largemouth pond for the residents? complete with a nice forage base of Shad …Imagine if Gibson Pond was slap full of Gizzards…Or you could drive up to the Broad River diversion dam fish ladder and toss the net with bait tank in the back of your truck…Does anyone believe the Shad would be easier to catch on Lake Murray if it didn’t get stocked with a million Striped Bass per year? Just thinking out loud here… Why do the baitmen go to Wateree to catch Gizzards to sell on Lake Murray instead of catching them here? Lake Murray is a pretty fertile lake. Now think about this, if all the fishermen that liked to fish with Gizzard Shad on Lake Murray, took half the money they spent in one year to fish with Gizzard shad, and all met up at the South Carolina State House grounds, what could we buy? lol I bet if I were fishing at Lake Lanier, Lake Hartwell,or Clarks Hill,I could go buy some Gizzards and go fish today…If we pooled our resources and brainpower we could solve this problem.
Team Shad Up & Fish
If you’ve had fun catching fish on the transom bait, you are welcome…
I’ve spent about 85% of my life’s wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted…
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I have always said murray doesn’t have enough in flow or isn’t “dirty” enough for shad.
“All fisherman lie. And if they say otherwise, then they’re lying”
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115 Evinrude
Ya’ll don’t have as many sewer plant dumping in to it like Greenwood!
Well since you challenged me bioguy, I’ll provide you with a study on Lake Murray that details this. If you want to cite another study to dispute it, I will check it out…Otherwise, I’ll rely on facts …
Anyone remember when the relicensing of the dam took place? Well they did some studies and reports… and before i provide you with a link, let me define a term for you…
Eutrophication - Eutrophic lakes are very fertile from all the nutrients carried into the lake from the surrounding landscape. These nutrients (Phosphorus and Nitrogen) support high densities of algae, fish and other aquatic organisms.
ok… go to this link http://www.saludahydrorelicense.com/documents/MurrayWQandW2Presentation12-7-05.pdf Look for the slide titled “Summary of Key Issues at the Time of the 2001 Assessment and When the CE-QUAL-W2 Model Was Developed” It talks about the upper end of Lake Murray being eutrophic… Fortunately since that time phosphorous loading has been a decreasing trend and water quality is improving…
There are a couple of outfalls that discharge into tributaries of Lake Murray… There is one in the Bush River. Most of our phosphorous loading is from non-point source loading from lawns, farms and livestock.
You can read this if you want… http://www.scdhec.gov/HomeAndEnvironment/Docs/Saluda%202011.pdf
Team Shad Up & Fish
If you’ve had fun catching fish on the transom bait, you are welcome…
I’ve spent about 85% of my life’s wages on fishing, the rest I just wasted…
Good stuff Reality Bites! Thanks for the links. One thing I will comment on is the data for that study is 15 years old and I believe the phosphorus band was like mid to late 90’s, so there was definitely still more nutrients left in the soil then. murray is kind unique since it is quite large, very high retention time, and stratifys so much of the nutrient load is lost. No doubt the upper end is more productive because of this.
Just curious how many years is the hydro agreement for? We(lake wateree) just approved a 50 year agreement with Duke, then they flooded us out November and spilled our fish into the santee system.
In general most hydropower agreements are 30 -50 years. The Lake Murray Dam license has not been formally approved. Formal approval has been held up over concerns for endangered specie, the shortnose sturgeon. The National Marine Fisheries Service was suppose to complete a biological opinion back in 2010 before the license could be formally approved but as far as I know, that hasn’t happened yet. You can search for information about the SCE&G Lake Murray Dam license by entering P-516 as the Docket Number at FERC’s website: http://elibrary.ferc.gov/idmws/search/fercgensearch.asp I found a letter there from FERC to Congressman Joe Wilson dated Feb 2015 which indicated they were still waiting for NMFS to issue their biological opinion. Bits and pieces of the total plan are being implemented.
Everybody learns from open discussion and shared documentation, even me …lol I have a degree in Marine Science and I have been working in environmental protection (land, air, and water quality programs) for over 20 years and in 3 different states in the Southeast. I have always thought Lake Murray to be a fertile reservoir since I moved back here to Columbia in 2006, when I became engaged in the discussions and licensing process for the dam and became familiar with the study I cited earlier in this thread. However, that eutrophic reference pertained to only a portion of the lake and not the lake as a whole.
Total phosphorus concentrations tend to be highest in the upstream section of the lake as a result of inflows from the Saluda River and tributaries. Two sites are listed on the 303(d) list for total phosphorus for the Saluda River watershed between Lake Greenwood and the Murray Lake dam: Bush River arm and Little Saluda River arm (South Carolina DHEC, 2008). In the past, high phosphorus concentrations were also reported in Rocky Creek. Total phosphorus concentrations in the lake water decreases as one moves downstream toward the dam because of the uptake of phosphorus by plants and algae and subsequent settling of