Murraymaker, that is very imformative and encouraging to hear. I realize there are years with summer floods where they have no choice but to blow it out and we will have kills but as long as they are aware of the impact of their actions and are trying to operate it to maximize the fishery that’s encouraging. Much better than anything going on with the Corp of Engineers on Hartwell.
Lawcrushers post explains it very well. I totally forgot about the Dominion take over…that could be very bad…
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MM and LC, thank you yet again for posting facts and not just unfounded personal agendas. Granted, it didn’t take a PhD to see this thread is/was about the people and not the resource.
To be honest, I don’t understand why so many people have such little faith and trust in the DNR AND that so many people think they know better than the fisheries and wildlife biologists of the DNR that work/practice in their fields all day everyday. If we let them do their jobs, we as fishermen and hunters get to reap the benefits. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
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Originally posted by bangstickMM and LC, thank you yet again for posting facts and not just unfounded personal agendas. Granted, it didn’t take a PhD to see this thread is/was about the people and not the resource.
To be honest, I don’t understand why so many people have such little faith and trust in the DNR AND that so many people think they know better than the fisheries and wildlife biologists of the DNR that work/practice in their fields all day everyday. If we let them do their jobs, we as fishermen and hunters get to reap the benefits. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
The bigger shock is that people think DNR makes the laws and limits. They only give their input to the legislature and they make the laws/limits…thats where dirty money (political money) comes into play… but thats for a whole different thread…
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Very true.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
I was hoping to move on from this thread until Bangstick continues to insult and I feel the need to defend my position. BTW except for Bangstick all of you have been civilized and professional with your responses Thanks You. So what your DNR biologist is saying is that 2013 was the best Lake Murray could ever be or is he just comparing one level of mediocrity to another? Also, if there is never the need to make regulation adjustments why did we change the 10 fish no size and go to 5 and done in the summer? In my opinion Lake Murray is not at it’s maximum potential and is certainly no world class Striper fishery. Every fishery can be improved upon. Make Lake Murray Great Again!!
WOW!!! If you feel I’ve been insulting or uncivilized, you probably don’t leave the house much, do you?
All I did was call it what it was. You were basing your opinion on nothing more than your opinion. No form of fisheries or wildlife management should be enacted or enforced based on an opinion. Management decisions should be based on facts supported by hard evidence/data collected over a length of time, not knee jerk opinions based on one’s personal views. By all means, defend your position but if you want it to mean something, try defending your position with facts as opposed to nothing more than your opinion.
Also, it was never stated the DNR official said “…there is never the need to make regulation adjustments.” That spin was induced by your own personal views and opinion, not facts. If you believe getting called out for not providing facts is insulting or uncivilized, especially when you come in suggesting change to a fishery on a forum specific to that fishery, a public forum probably isn’t the place for you and I would keep the location of your safe space a secret.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
Most of this thread has been an excellent read and very informative. I’m very glad to see that the DNR is doing their job & cares about the resources. That was my opinion too when I lived in MD, and when they were allowed to do their job, most decisions made were very good. The unfortunate fact is there are & always will be other influences in both the decision making process and the regulatory results, especially the politics.
I also see some similarities with a couple of projects that turned out very well in MD, although they were primarily cold water fisheries for trout. Those projects are the Gunpowder River, and the upper Potomac. The Gunpowder is now a world class trout fishery, because of cooperation between Baltimore City who owns the reservoirs that feed the rivers, and the MD DNR. Trout Unlimited and local groups were very involved in the process too and remain involved. The Gunpowder now supports natural reproduction, and is no longer stocked, because of cooperation & peoples efforts for the right reasons.
The one area of the upper Potomac River was literally dead, primarily due to coal mining and the acidic run-off from that mining. An agreement between, the states of WV, MD and the Army Corp of Engineers, who controls Jennings Randolf Reservoir and a lot of private individual efforts have restored life in that part of the river, and also created a world class trout fishery there.
Both projects are proof that with the right kind of information and cooperation, everyone can benefit.
I hope that continues here in SC with the lakes and fisheries.
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Ok then how about we regulate bird chasers Lol!
Agent, one thing is for certain, and I’ve seen this for many years in MD with the Striped Bass fishery, the DNR has to be able & willing to do their job, and all the conjecture & personal feelings,
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Ok then how about we regulate bird chasers Lol!
Agent, one thing is for certain, and I’ve seen this for many years in MD with the Striped Bass fishery, the DNR has to be able & willing to do their job, and all the conjecture & personal feelings, although having some value in giving folks incentive to be involved, should not be the basis for fishery management. Scientific study & field work should be, and hopefully with as little politics as is possible.
Also, no amount of regulation will fix stupid.
People are & always will be the root of this type of problem. If you have a solution to change people, perhaps that would be where your comments and efforts would be better served.
Well said, BigJim.
“You don’t always know where you stand till you know that you won’t run away.” ~Slipknot
Your right again Bangstick. This forum probably isn’t for me when Senior members like you have elevated insults to threats. I’ll close by saying I am interested in a great sport fishery and not just a killing field. Also, I now realize that the best Striper fishermen on the Lake have no interest in improving our delicate resource. Sorry to all that I had an opinion and not scientific speculation which both hold about the same weight.
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Originally posted by agentYour right again Bangstick. This forum probably isn’t for me when Senior members like you have elevated insults to threats. I’ll close by saying I am interested in a great sport fishery and not just a killing field. Also, I now realize that the best Striper fishermen on the Lake have no interest in improving our delicate resource. Sorry to all that I had an opinion and not scientific speculation which both hold about the same weight.
Come on man. You have your opinion, they have theirs. Each has been voiced and I don’t see a trophy handed out to the “winner”. You are entitled to voice yours just like everyone else.
I re-read Bsticks post and don’t see any threat. Sarcasm about feelings hurt, yes. Threat, no.
Have a great day agent. Nice boat.
I disagree. Where I come from when you tell someone I better keep my safe location a secret, I consider that a threat.
WHERE DO YOU COME FROM? How much time do you spend fishing Murray? I don’t think Bangstick has been on this site that long and to be a senior member. This lake has and will always be a put and take lake!
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Originally posted by agentI disagree. Where I come from when you tell someone I better keep my safe location a secret, I consider that a threat.
Agent’s dramatic spin on what I said…(see quote above)
What I actually said…“If you believe getting called out for not providing facts is insulting or uncivilized, especially when you come in suggesting change to a fishery on a forum specific to that fishery, a public forum probably isn’t the place for you and I would keep the location of your safe space a secret.”
The sad fact of the matter is agent used the same over-dramatizations in his previous posts to support his unfounded claims about the condition of the striper fishery on Lake Murray.
Agent, people posted facts that countered your claims/opinion. It happens, especially with some of the extremely knowledgeable and connected people on this forum. Don’t sweat it. Instead of getting defensive and playing the role of the insulted and threatened victim, a simple “I stand corrected” would’ve been plenty.
I don’t apologize for getting annoyed by people that believe their unfounded/unsupported opinions should take precedence over facts and hard data collected through scientific research. I don’t apologize for getting annoyed by people (recreational anglers/hunters) that think they know fisheries/wildilife management better than the biologists that work in each respective field on a daily basis. The resource deserves better than unfounded claims and opinions driven by a personal agenda. I’ve seen what happens to natural resources when unqualified opinion is considered when configuring management plans. It never ends well for the resource.
BTW Agent, are you admitting, where you come from, everyone has a safe space? 
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Man … Ya’ll go fishing already… 
Agent probably doesn’t understand what kind of person he’s chatting with - although the Slipknot signature probably should’ve given him a clue … Unless he doesn’t know anything about Slipknot #googleSlipknot
This thread reminds me of birds on a school of crackers.
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Is it Saturday yet…really hoping for another Mediocre day…
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Dang it rick…you couldnt have waited 30sec for me to count how many posts had been made on page 3…
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Sorry you’re too (**() slow … LOLOL