Climate Change

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Originally posted by RWL

I don’t doubt that the seal level are rising and the average temps are rising, which causes the sea level to rise. This is pretty obvious to most people. I think the biggest debate on global warming, from those of us that don’t buy into it, is that it became a campaign that pushed people to do things to make billions of dollars. Things that are pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but pushed to play on the guilt of humans. These same scientist have proven that the Earth has gone through several ice ages so far and has had times of great volcanic activity, which may have something to do with entering an ice age. This data is over thousands if not hundred of thousands of years we are told. I just don’t put a lot into the data collected for the short period of time humans have been here, much less the years having the technology to collect this data to buy into it fully. I look at things in a simple way, such as, we have had very little volcanic activity for a very long time (compared to other periods). Without all of the ash being spewed into the air, I think it makes sense that we are getting warmer. They say they are seeing a rise in volcanic activity and if in the future we do have several major eruptions, then I would suspect that we will begin getting colder again.

I think it is just that simple, but what do I know, I am not a scientist! :smiley:

On a side note, I did read where meteorologist were predicting this very cold arctic blast we had yesterday with a quick warm up for a short while and then a very cold pattern forming from mid January thru February. They said places in the South that do not normally see snow and ice will see it in this time period. They are predicting the coldest winter in decades for us.


This is why I have

That was the problem with the Kyoto Treaty. The worlds major economies were being forced to cut green house emissions and the lesser or developing economies were allowed to continue on their merry way. So what do the worlds major producing companies do? They move their production facilities over seas to 3rd world countries with cheap labor and no restrictions. No emissions were cut and the worlds climate was not effected to any lesser extent. The only thing that happened was the source of green house gas was moved and we lost jobs!

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Originally posted by RWL

On a side note, I did read where meteorologist were predicting this very cold arctic blast we had yesterday with a quick warm up for a short while and then a very cold pattern forming from mid January thru February. They said places in the South that do not normally see snow and ice will see it in this time period. They are predicting the coldest winter in decades for us.


Maybe this will bring back the yellowfin tuna!

I’m secretly hoping that global warming will bring back another dinosaur age. And if we can train those dinosaurs to develop a taste for liberals, then we might be able to save the human race just yet…

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Originally posted by skinneej
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Originally posted by RWL

On a side note, I did read where meteorologist were predicting this very cold arctic blast we had yesterday with a quick warm up for a short while and then a very cold pattern forming from mid January thru February. They said places in the South that do not normally see snow and ice will see it in this time period. They are predicting the coldest winter in decades for us.


Maybe this will bring back the yellowfin tuna!

That would be nice!

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Originally posted by Chris B. I agree with your point concerning the previous ~20 years of sat data (it does not seem that the rate has changed at all). One question though...I could not find where the sea level data reported by the CU group was from (was it from a single location or was it a combination of multiple location measurements...probably the latter).
Global. Excruciating detail is usually available at www.sealevel.colorado.edu but that server is not anwering at the moment. Maybe they've moved stuff around on their web site.
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Originally posted by Chris B. My comment concerning tidal gauges is based on the paper from Mitchum (2000) titled "An Improved Calibration of Satellite Altimetric Heights Using Tide Gauge Sea Levels with Adjustment for Land Motion". I agree that tidal gauges are not the most accurate however they still have to be used as an independent bench mark when analyzing sat data. The above manuscript describes a correction that takes into account continental drift.
Agreed. But, a benchmark just establishes a starting point. The assertion from the AGW alarmists is that the RATE of sea level rise is increasing faster than would naturally happen (sans human contribution) and that it will be catastrophic (Florida and other areas going under water, etc.). So, no matter where the benchmark places your starting sea level, if the RATE is not changing, then the RATE is not changing.
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Originally posted by Chris B. I will say that my whole concern in t

The ‘www’ on the front of the URL I provided above is causing the problem. For the excruciating detail on the satellite data, see http://sealevel.colorado.edu/ .


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