Not here to comment on this just letting everyone see what NMFS did yesterday…
I had a feeling they were going to do that. it looks like state waters are still open, for now
I was under the impression that the state mirrors federal for pelagics and snapper/grouper.
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I simply will never understand that in order to “protect the resource” recreational landings need to be stopped but commercial is still ok. WTF!!! What a joke
“mr keys”
I for one don’t mind if they need to close a species but DON’T just shut down rec… Commercial catch fish from the same ocean last time I checked!
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I don’t understand closing recreational without closing commercial. Let’s just close the whole thing if its an emergency. I can’t imagine we catch anywhere near as much as the commercial boats do.
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI don’t understand closing recreational without closing commercial. Let’s just close the whole thing if its an emergency. I can’t imagine we catch anywhere near as much as the commercial boats do.
Commercial boats are required to fill out trip forms which allows the SAFMC to somewhat accurately track their catch. They do not have the resources to track rec fisherman so we are subject to a bull**** algorithm that shuts down our fishery. It’s lazy and irresponsible.
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Yet Florida is not closed and put at least 10x the amount of pressure on cobia. Wtf just ruined my favorite fishing time of the year. My son got his first one last year and was so excited to try for another. Wow try to explain this to an 8 year old.
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Actually All this safmc crap started with snapper sea bass in obamas era. Hopefully trump will disband it.
Ya’ll didn’t see this coming last summer and fall when NC and VA decided to go against the Feds and keep their state waters open until Sept 30th? That’s what blew it.
http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainable_fisheries/acl_monitoring/recreational_sa/index.html
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It did not start with Obama. It started way before that, in the younger Bush administration. I’m not an Obama or a Clinton fan, but facts are facts.
What’s the bets on an ARS season this year?
“mr keys”
I wish I could go back in time to the bush times when offshore fishing was productive and fun. I really don’t think the president will do jack about fishing for us but the real question is how do we stop all this? I can only see it getting worse with “catch shares” and all that bs that the safmc is trying to setup for select commercials to get the only access to our wonderful fisheries that everyone should be able to have access to. Why don’t they shut it all down if it’s that bad? I really feel like my son won’t be able to experience the great times and memories I have had over the years offshore fishing. Catch and release cobia fishing? Yeah right the brownies would beat you up trying to get the hook out! This crap really pisses me off and now I’m really trying to justify having an offshore boat. We love inshore fishing but that cobia season for a a month a year really was the highlight of my fishing year that I loved to share with friends and family. So fun and even if we only had 1 in the box it always was a memorable experience for all aboard. sorry for the rant but I’m the rare inshore fisherman that only fishes offshore during cobia season. Looks like I’ll be downsizing since I don’t really go past the artificial reefs.
How many different closures and issues will happen before people on this site and around SC sack up and start going to the SAFMC meetings and writing letters? You have to be the change you want to see. How many of you have been involved on any level in the BS procedures that shape these rules? Everyone wants to say it doesn’t matter. Wrong. If a hundred showed up things would happen. If 500 people showed up and overwelmed the room things would change. If 1,000 rec fisherman showed up to EVERY meeting big things would change. The problem across the board in this country is the majority of people just puss out and don’t speak up to make changes. The govt and corporate corruption will continue to jerk us at EVERY opportunity b/c the majority of people are pushovers and won’t say anything.
If you want to see rules change and make a difference then stop complaining and do something about it. No more excuses. Yes it is time, and yes time is money, and yes it sucks, BUT make the changes you can or stop complaining and go sit in a corner. Far worse changes than the Cobia season are coming in our future if we don’t start demanding change to the few people that make the rules.
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Originally posted by RealfinIt did not start with Obama. It started way before that, in the younger Bush administration. I’m not an Obama or a Clinton fan, but facts are facts.
If I remember correctly, this stuff goes back to the Magnuson-Stevens Act 1976 - Ford Admin? Maybe? See - http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/laws_policies/msa/
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The Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act (Magnuson-Stevens Act) is the primary law governing marine fisheries management in U.S. federal waters. First passed in 1976, the Magnuson-Stevens Act fosters long-term biological and economic sustainability of our nation's marine fisheries out to 200 nautical miles from shore. Key objectives of the Magnuson-Stevens Act are to:Prevent overfishing Rebuild overfished stocks Increase long-term economic and social benefits Ensure a safe and sustainable supply of seafoodPrior to the Magnuson-Stevens Act, waters beyond 12 nautical miles were international waters and fished by fleets from other countries. The 1976 law extended U.S. jurisdiction to 200 nautical miles and established eight regional fishery management councils (Councils) with representation from the coastal states and fishery stakeholders. The Councils’ primary responsibility is development of fishery management plans (FMPs). These FMPs must comply with a number of conservation and management requirements, including the 10 National Standards—principles that promote sustainable fisheries management.
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If my memory is correct, when M-S Act was passed, it was aimed at fisheries off the west coast - primarily salmon and halibut. If it did establish the 200 mile jurisdiction, all us fishermen would have said “hurrah!”. We probably payed little attention , though, and we certainly would never have believed the law would be used against fishermen on our southeast coast.
What difference does it make when the original MSA was passed? It started out a good thing which effectively eliminated the foreign fleet that were catching about 70-80% of our resources. They also outlawed bottom trawling which is probably the reason for any stock decline if there was one in the snapper\grouper fishery. They also prohibited bottom long-lining in the waters we fish.
The problem is that we have a few snapper-heads on the council who think that MPAs and large no fishing zones are the ONLY way to effectively manage a fishery. These guys have been fighting for MPAs for over 20 years now, and have not looked at anything new. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. What really needs to happen is a complete turn over of the council. Anyone who has been on the council for more than a couple of years needs to EXIT. Do you know WHY they won’t stop? There is NO CONSPIRACY… It’s simply PRIDE and EGO… I mean can you imagine trying to implement something for 20-30 years and being forced to admit that you were wrong, and that your life’s work was just a waste of time? No. Nobody would do that. Instead of just moving on to the next government project to screw something up, they need to “leave a legacy” behind… Would you want to be known as the “scientist who had the STUPID MPA idea” for 30 years, or the “scientist who finally made MPA’s a reality after 30 years of ‘hard work’”? Isn’t it obvious?
As long as you have a few guys at the top that control the agenda and influence them all behind closed doors, you have not cured the cancer. And if you do not cure the cancer, the entire body grows sick.
Any “problem” that may or may not exist could be remedied through TECHNOLOGY… But the poor, poor, poor folk at SAFMC have “their hands tied” (as so they claim) and can only do 1 thing: implement new restrictions…
I mean come on folk… NOAA\NMFS is running a BILLION dollar budget nowadays. Imagine what the fishery would look like if they gave each coastal state 5 mi
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Originally posted by skinneejWhat difference does it make when the original MSA was passed? It started out a good thing which effectively eliminated the foreign fleet that were catching about 70-80% of our resources. They also outlawed bottom trawling which is probably the reason for any stock decline if there was one in the snapper\grouper fishery. They also prohibited bottom long-lining in the waters we fish.
The problem is that we have a few snapper-heads on the council who think that MPAs and large no fishing zones are the ONLY way to effectively manage a fishery. These guys have been fighting for MPAs for over 20 years now, and have not looked at anything new. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. What really needs to happen is a complete turn over of the council. Anyone who has been on the council for more than a couple of years needs to EXIT. Do you know WHY they won’t stop? There is NO CONSPIRACY… It’s simply PRIDE and EGO… I mean can you imagine trying to implement something for 20-30 years and being forced to admit that you were wrong, and that your life’s work was just a waste of time? No. Nobody would do that. Instead of just moving on to the next government project to screw something up, they need to “leave a legacy” behind… Would you want to be known as the “scientist who had the STUPID MPA idea” for 30 years, or the “scientist who finally made MPA’s a reality after 30 years of ‘hard work’”? Isn’t it obvious?
As long as you have a few guys at the top that control the agenda and influence them all behind closed doors, you have not cured the cancer. And if you do not cure the cancer, the entire body grows sick.
Any “problem” that may or may not exist could be remedied through TECHNOLOGY… But the poor, poor, poor folk at SAFMC have “their hands tied” (as so they claim) and can only do 1 thing: implement new restrictio