Covid Vaccine, y'all in or out?

In do know this, 97% of the covid deaths are non-vaccinated and more than 70% of the hospitalizations are non-vaccinated. My son is a nurse and told me the number of covid patients at the hospital he works at has gotten so bad that they will be holding covid patients in the ER now for up to 48 hours as they have no room elsewhere.

What convinced me to get the shot? A healthy friend in his late 30’s got covid. He spent 10 days in the hospital last September and to this date, has not totally recovered. He was told that he may have diminished lung capacity the rest of his life as well as some heart issues.

To each his own but, I did my research and spoke to people I trust and respect. Too many people are making decisions based on Facebook crap, political B.S. or erroneous information.


"Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It's Hand", but really, who cares? [/quote]

We both can give Percentage numbers and I’m sure it will vary from state to state and hospital to hospital. You got 30% I have 40% and Mixed has 60% I respect all that do get the vaccine as my wife and many family members have done so. I get no information from Facebook but I do KNOW that this vaccine is in Stage 1 of FDA approval. It has not been tested near enough for me to trust it yet. NEVER in our history has such a vaccine been “created” so fast and with so little study than this one. Why can’t we do this with AIDS, Herpes, and so many other illnesses? Something in the Milk isn’t clean.

Stage ONE… What happened to stage 2, and then the 3-4 years of stage 3 ?

No Straw Man, just sharing some information I read in an article, from Israel. There seems to be some concern about whether the vaccine

“Can you show me where you got those numbers? I read a report from Israel, stating that as much as 60 percent of Covid cases, are among the double vaxxed.”

Specific article? Nope, I have read dozens of articles I have found online and some research studies my son has sent me. Yep, the numbers may be somewhat fluid from study to study but, the evidence is, that non-vaccinated folks account for the overwhelming numbers of deaths and hospitalizations. Not saying this because I think everyone should get vaccinated as I think that should be a personal choice. I just think too many folks are making decisions based on politics and/or inaccurate or wrong information. I have a neighbor that truly thinks that if you get vaccinated, somewhere down the road, “someone” can “do something” to change your behavior. I can’t even look at him the same way now.


"Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It's Hand", but really, who cares?

Cool!


RBF

Robinette’s Bend Forward

Headed to IOP, catch y’all later, and hopefully post up some fishing reports!!:smiley:


RBF

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Republicans treated Covid like a bioweapon. Then it turned against them

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Some of the most powerful conservatives in the United States have, since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, chosen to sow disinformation along with mockery and distrust of proven methods of combating the disease, from masks to vaccines to social distancing. Their actions have afflicted the nation as a whole with more disease and death and economic crisis than good leadership aligned with science might have, and, in spite of hundreds of thousands of well-documented deaths and a new surge, they continue. Their malice has become so normal that its real nature is rarely addressed. Call it biological warfare by propaganda.


Bob

Since we have never looked at one another, you can’t look at me any different from passing this one on… :smiley: No I don’t believe this vaccine is made to sterilize or control people, I really believe this vaccine has been out for many years to combat the bio weapon it was designed to be from Fuaci and the Wuhan lab. I believe We the People have a right to be told this whole corona crap was a leaked mistake from the wuhan lab.

Crazy speculation sent to me by a very strong conspiracy theory type guy. … Most stuff way out there, but some of his stuff pretty plausible as myth busters states from time to time.
Human DNA can not be patented, but now with the Maderno style vaccine, it changes dna with a synthetic “man made” change to your DNA. You can now be patented and owned since your DNA has been manipulated and changed to create (synthetically / manmade) toxins similar to covid so your body recognizes the real covid if exposed.

Oh, boy ha ha ha ha.


Bob

Breaking911 (@Breaking911) Tweeted:
PRES. BIDEN: “You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” https://t.co/5x1xfQryIX

LionHearted (@LionInWinter44) Tweeted:
Covid Outbreak Hits Carnival Cruise Despite Every Guest & Staff Being Vaccinated

ZERO unvaccinated aboard. It goes against the narrative that the reason for “breakthrough cases” is too many unvaccinated people.

A strict face mask policy was implemented.
https://t.co/RjCIGyOMeQ

Shouldn’t anger be directed to a lying president, Fauci, CDC, politicians and porch dicks who support them?


“ RBF aka Shunkey, Porch Dick, John Weaver, quite frankly you are full of schitt. In my opinion you are primarily to blame for the degradation of this particular fishing website. You dilute this place with your incessant desire to be relevant by posting constantly whatever cut and paste cartoon or quip you dig up only God knows where just to be "heard". It really must be miserable where you are, if not for you then for those around you.” EF 4/27/21

Absolutely cannot, just a fact.
“YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID”


Bob

:eyes:

https://3speak.tv/watch?v=vladtepesblog/sfzknsrp&jwsource=cl

Oh my!


“ RBF aka Shunkey, Porch Dick, John Weaver, quite frankly you are full of schitt. In my opinion you are primarily to blame for the degradation of this particular fishing website. You dilute this place with your incessant desire to be relevant by posting constantly whatever cut and paste cartoon or quip you dig up only God knows where just to be "heard". It really must be miserable where you are, if not for you then for those around you.” EF 4/27/21

Michael Yeadon is a British pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Wikipedia

“GET THE PART ABOUT FALSE OR UNFOUNDED CLAIMS”.

“YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID”


Bob

It’s true you can’t fix stupid

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/08/05/where-fake-news-is-born-how-wikipedia-spreads-hoaxes/

only an ignorant porch ***** would cite Wikipedia


“ RBF aka Shunkey, Porch Dick, John Weaver, quite frankly you are full of schitt. In my opinion you are primarily to blame for the degradation of this particular fishing website. You dilute this place with your incessant desire to be relevant by posting constantly whatever cut and paste cartoon or quip you dig up only God knows where just to be "heard". It really must be miserable where you are, if not for you then for those around you.” EF 4/27/21

Maybe Iceland should call India who are curing their covid19 with ivermectin

Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) Tweeted:
1/ Stunning news from Iceland - among the world’s most vaccinated countries - today.

Facing a huge new #Covid outbreak that translates into ~100,000 new US cases a day, the country’s chief epidemiologist now says natural infection is the only way to reach herd immunity… https://t.co/eMEnJxkWYk


“ RBF aka Shunkey, Porch Dick, John Weaver, quite frankly you are full of schitt. In my opinion you are primarily to blame for the degradation of this particular fishing website. You dilute this place with your incessant desire to be relevant by posting constantly whatever cut and paste cartoon or quip you dig up only God knows where just to be "heard". It really must be miserable where you are, if not for you then for those around you.” EF 4/27/21

Breitbart News has published a number of falsehoods and conspiracy theories,[11] as well as intentionally misleading stories,[14] including claims that Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration supported ISIS.[12] It has sometimes published these misleading stories as part of an intentional strategy to manipulate media narratives via disinformation.[15][85][14] In July 2010, Shirley Sherrod was fired from her appointed position as Georgia State Director of Rural Development for the United States Department of Agriculture.[86][87] Her firing was largely in response to coverage in Breitbart News of video excerpts from her address to an event of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) in March 2010.:astonished: Both NAACP and White House officials apologized for their statements after a longer version of her address was reviewed.

“YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID”


Bob

I’m not sure you understand some of the dynamics. When you body encounters a virus (e.g. you get enough of one on the back of your throat or handle a smeared door knob and then rub your eye), the virus absolutely enters your body. The rapidity and effectiveness of your immune response determines whether you will have any symptoms. If the virus is quickly handled, you will never be contagious. However, if you immune response is slower/less effective, you will see symptoms and could be contagious. The less effective you immune response the worse the effects.

Vaccines are not perfectly effective. Ideally, a vaccine would engender an immune response that would perfectly protect you, providing and very rapid and effective response to any exposure before the virus could replicate enough to cause symptoms or make you contagious. I don’t think that’s how it works.

According to Pfizer/BioNTech:

Vaccine was 100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration
from - https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-confirm-high-efficacy-and-no-serious

They don’t now, nor do I think they ever did, assert that the vaccine was perfect or that it would necessarily prevent your contracting the disease.

At least, that’s my under

PS is correct. I look at the vaccine as part prophylactic, and part of a body “readiness” effort for those that do get it after being vaccinated. If someone gets the vaccine who has never had covid, then if they do contract it the outcome should be much better as the body is already trained to fight it… Think of it like summer practice for football for your body to fight covid… What’s the likelihood of doing well when the football season starts if you/body hasn’t practiced beforehand… In addition, the chances are most will get the delta variant which is even harder for the body to fight against…

With regards to rabies vaccination… Yes, vaccinated dogs do get rabies after inoculation, but it is rare…

https://todaysveterinarypractice.com/rabies-vaccination-in-dogs/

'While no vaccine is 100% effective, rabies infection is rare in vaccinated dogs. In one study, 4.9% of cases of rabid dogs had a history of prior rabies vaccination.8"

The comparison of rabies to covid also isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison since covid is airborne and rabies isn’t… Therefore, the covid virus can mutate much faster due to the method of transmission and acquisition…

RBF

If you acted and responded that way in at least half of your posts I wouldn’t have to keep putting a foot in your ass. See how much easier and more fun it is to exchange ideas with adults in this fashion?

Just something to ponder.

Staff

Sorry guys, but a “vaccine” provides “active acquired immunity”, by definition. Something different, entirely, from a prophylactic “shot” in the dark, as we seem to have with the current injections.

Fishing is tough at IOP…:smiley:

Robinette’s Bend Forward


RBF

Robinette’s Bend Forward

You ready to say “Uncle” Mr. Nutz…

https://www.aaps.ca/blog/prophylactic-vs-therapeutic-vaccines-explained-for-students-in-pharmaceutical-courses

Prophylactic Vaccines Are Designed to Build Immunity in a Patient

"A prophylactic, or preventative, vaccine involves introducing antigens into a person’s body. The goal is that the individual’s immune system will create antibodies for those antigens, and become immune to the associated illness.

The technique works quite well, and is very common; most of the vaccines that people get are prophylactic vaccines. It’s worth noting, however, that these vaccines are not guaranteed to be 100 percent effective. It is still possible for a person to become ill from a virus after becoming “immune” through vaccination, and even possible for the vaccination to have no effect on some people. Usually, though, healthy individuals can expect to get an immunity boost from their vaccines."


Hope the fushing gets better for you, or I’m gonna start believing you are immune to catching them…:smiley:

Have fun, and safe travels…

RBF