if you go offshore and spend the night are you allowed two limits?
This has been asked and the best answer i could come up with is NO…they do not have a way to really police and figure how many days you were out there,with all the technology you would think something would be out there that we could inform them of our plans to go out over nite and get 2 days worth of limits?
I think Gut Wrench is correct. I’ve asked this before and never got a definitive answer, but I lean towards NO.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
You can keep a two day limit on overnight trips unless the possession limit specifies per trip or per vessel. It would be a good idea to inform Marine Patrol and/or the nearest Coast Guard station of your intentions to stay two days before leaving. What would you guys think of filing an electronic float plan before each trip that would include the general area you plan to fish and your ETA to the dock? The float plan would be completed with a report of safe return and what you caught.
Daily & possession are two different animals.
I was told by DNR, you would need two licensed capt. with documented log books in order to have multiple limits on overnite trips.
28 WA Hydra Sport
Twin 225 4 stoke Yammies
“Fin Loco”
Thats a pretty tough area. Definitely wouldnt want to get caught with more than my limit.
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What would you guys think of filing an electronic float plan before each trip that would include the general area you plan to fish and your ETA to the dock? The float plan would be completed with a report of safe return and what you caught.
Not “NO”, but $#!!NO.
That’s almost the same as VSM. “the general area you plan to fish”
Float plans are for safety, not to monitor your catch.
218WA Sailfish
The "Penn"sion Plan
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Not "NO", but $#!!NO. That's almost the same as VSM. "the general area you plan to fish" Float plans are for safety, not to monitor your catch.
My feelings exactly. Not “NO”, but $#!!NO. Not me. I file a float plan with the wife and a friend or 2 for safety.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
yes you can just file a float plan before leaving and have a wittness
Local Boy, Just having fun.
RDW and Cracker Larry, commercial fishermen fill out logbooks reporting what we caught and the general area we fished based on a grid system with each section covering a few hundred square miles. I would not be opposed to giving that kind of general area information before leaving the dock to give a search party a place to start looking just in case we did not return at our ETA. I know of too many boats that went down without the EPIRB sending a signal.
Commercial landings data is MUCH better than the recreational landing assumptions that inject unknown variables into stock assessments which usually result in lower quotas for everyone based on this uncertainty. If recreational fishermen oppose a reef fish permit and electronic reporting of your catch, how do you propose we get better landings data? The SAFMC is already talking about new tracking devices they can force us to use. It would be wise for us to think about what kind of reporting system that would not violate our Constitutional Rights we would like to see. We cannot just keep saying no without offering our own solutions. Keep in mind that most problems our government seeks to “fix” are created to advance an agenda. The only way to stop the agenda is to offer an alternative solution enough people support that it cannot be ignored and dismissed as our public servants often try to do.
I know that the headboats of old like the thunderstar offered offshore overnight trips that you could keep 2 limits.
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RDW and Cracker Larry, commercial fishermen fill out logbooks reporting what we caught and the general area we fished based on a grid system with each section covering a few hundred square miles.
No kidding? I was a commercial fisherman for a lot of years and have filled out many logbooks and reports. Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly catch reports. Log them all, file as required, that’s OK with me. I can understand monitoring commercial catch, it is important, but I’m not filing an electronic report before I leave the dock on a recreational trip anymore than I’m filing an electronic report before I leave the house in my truck. That ain’t going to happen.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Cracker Larry, How do you think the number of recreational fishing trips taken and landings data should be collected?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We need to have open discussions about how we want to see our fishery managed. We do not have to agree on every issue to find solutions most open-minded people can agree on. We can see our solutions implemented by getting enough fishermen and concerned citizens to submit public comments supporting them.
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Originally posted by sniper7I know that the headboats of old like the thunderstar offered offshore overnight trips that you could keep 2 limits.
And they would have 2 licensed captains on board.
28 WA Hydra Sport
Twin 225 4 stoke Yammies
“Fin Loco”
The headboat requirement of having 2 Captains had nothing to do with DNR or SAFMC limits - but was a USCG safety requirement. In order for a headboat to catch double limits we had to document(logbook) a full 24 hour trip. Doesn’t really matter any more - headboats are history thanks to the SAFMC. The double limit over night option was never open to any vessels other than headboats
RDW, what do you think we can do to collect better recreational landings data?
Does anyone have any thoughts on this issue?
I don’t object to giving “catch data” ie… how many of what species, size of particular species, even how many shorts were discarded.
What I do object to is telling them where I plan on going to catch my fish. First off, it’s none of their business where I want to go, whether its to one of the near shore reefs or to the other side of the Stream. Just like it’s nobody’s business whether I choose to go to Disney World or Myrtle Beach. I will file my “Float Plan” with my wife and anyone else that I feel needs to know.
I’m all about collecting data for the good of the fishery but I don’t want Big Brother being along for the ride.
Another reason for objecting the requirement to “File a Float Plan” is this…Say I start out thinking I want to go to one area but once I get outside the Jetties I realize that I need to go a totally diffrent direction. I’ve already filed my Float Plan and am now locked in to an area. I know you mentioned earlier that and area may include several hundred square miles, but that will likely be squeezed to a much smaller area for Rec. guys.
218WA Sailfish
The "Penn"sion Plan
Natureboy - hope all is well. I remember working for you and Billy on some of those overnight trips - hard to believe that was over 10 years ago.
RDW, what do you think would be the best method for getting recreational fishermen to provide landings data? You make some very valid points opposing the “Float Plan” idea. Thanks for sharing them.