DNR/copper roof???/SC fees going up

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SC DNRs Priorities, Copper Roof Questioned
By fitsnews on September 20, 2011Comment Email Print

The S.C. Department of Natural Resources (DNR) is installing a new copper roof on its marine resources administrative headquarters in Charleston, S.C. part of a larger upgrade to its Lowcountry bureaucratic home.

That project is facing scrutiny and criticism in light of the agencys so-called budget crunch.

In these hard times, what is the DNR doing spending a wad of taxpayer cash on their exalted bureaucratic headquarters? one sources asks. The DNR needs law enforcement officers, not a copper roof.

News of the project comes on the same day that DNR officials proposed new fee hikes on South Carolina hunters, fishers and boaters. At the suggestion of Caroline Rhodes who was appointed chairwoman of the DNR board earlier this year by S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley the agency wants to raise fishing licenses, hunting licenses, turkey tags, saltwater fishing licenses and boat registration fees.

That would suck another $4.7 million out of the pockets of hard-working South Carolinians who are already paying for the largest budget in state history.

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We want to take care of the playground, and the people who play there should pay, Rhodes told The (Columbia, S.C.) State newspaper.

Wow more limited government from the Haley administration, right?

In addition to naming Rhodes as DNRs chairwoman, Haley appointed four new DNR board members shortly after taking office this year giving her effective control of the agency.

Looks like her first major decision is going to be a fee increase yet another example of Haleys hypocrisy when it comes to her stated support for limited government.

DNR received $89.6 million in the most recent state budget a $2.5 million increase from the previous year. Most of the agencys revenue comes from fees and fines, although DNR also received $14.5 million in general fund revenue in the FY 2011-12 spending plan.

As for the new copper roof, its unclear how muc

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Sometimes they may make mistakes on spending but we all do.

I am in favor of upping the fees in a small way. I would like to see the out of state crabbers pay more but I would be happy to pay more to bring DNR up to speed.

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i’ve never priced a copper roof… but neither has the author, apparently.

how are “rate increase” and “limited government” antonyms? the price of stamps goes up all the time- the price of a shrimp baiting permit has been the same since it was established twenty years ago.

you hear that sucking sound? it’s 1.8 million people volunteering to support the economy and pay to enjoy our natural resources. (estimate based on our state’s population and the 31% of the whopping 201 voters)

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I pay my 10.00 plus a little box at the bottom I donate another 20.00

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Copper roof last alooooong time in a salt water enviroment

Good Choice my Money well Spent

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Bad time to be raising anything. Ask Netflix!
Never thought the ocean was any states property anyway.

If it ain’t broke…let me try!

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How about the idiots raise the lowest ciggarette tax in the country??

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standing seam metal roofing: +/- $7 per square (100SF)
Copper roofing: $25-$30 per square (100SF)

So it’s a pretty substantial difference. And the longevity argument is bull ****. You can get 50 year warranties on SS.

The only time we use copper is when the client is looking for a “monumental” or “very upscale” look.

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Typical government waste. Easy to spend cash when it’s not your own. Shame on them

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That building was blown up by Hugo. I guess the roof they put on then has already worn out. Because of where it sits I can’t imagine any roof could last on that building for 100 years. Last time I was out that way I think the siding also looked pretty dead. I imagine the dollars are for more than just replacing a roof.

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It’s obvious that there are Senior members of these forums with literally thousands of posts between them who are staunch allies of law enforcement in general, and DNR in particular. That bodes well for our civil society, and I appreciate their genuine love for this wondrous state that we reside in. I have a skeptics mindset, and it has served me well in circumstances, but admit that it causes it’s own share of rebuke. That being said, I cannot get beyond the arrogance of the DNR, because it certainly is not ignorance. Where is the report that numerous staff and support personnel of the DNR scheduled week-end duty to help with the replacement of the roof, siding, landscaping, etc. so as to defray the costs to the taxpayers who are struggling in a weak economy? Where is the report that careful analysis of equipment and materials currently on hand was made to help defray the cost of construction? Where is it mentioned regarding the strategy to enlist the resources of other state agencies to help lower costs and improve efficent use of capital? From my perspective that would be responsible use of public money, and (**()ed good PR for good measure. I’m sure that reasonable individuals would agree that choosing a building material that as a commodity is at a price high enough to justify people risking their very lives to steal it is a boneheaded, arrogant decision when paired with the economic coma this state has endured for the last several years. I’m just sayin’.

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Not defending or attacking DNR but I guess being a “senior” member (I guess you mean older) I have learned not to jump to conclusions if you do not always know the facts. Yes, the mere appearance of a fancy copper roof may look bad but who here really knows the whole story? I work for a state agency and I have had friends/neighbors comment about state business as if they had first hand knowledge. The fact was, they did not know what they were talking about and were completely wrong in their assumptions. I see tax dollars wasted all the time and as a tax payer it pisses me off but, get the whole story before you make any assumptions. If you are that upset about it, file a FOI act and get all the facts.

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I don’t mind paying a bit more. But I don’t think they need a copper roof on the place. It dose seem a bit fancy.

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Copper = $3.43 per ounce. One 3x12’ sheet of copper, estimated 20 lbs = $1097.
150 sheets for the that building: $165k.
I know it sounds tuff but a sheet metal roof would be 1/10th that cost and last over 25 yrs.
Plus, a copper roof would be GONE in under 1 yr, sold at the nearest Georgia scrap yard!

Somebody better do some homework.

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quote:
Originally posted by flatscaster

standing seam metal roofing: +/- $7 per square (100SF)
Copper roofing: $25-$30 per square (100SF)

So it’s a pretty substantial difference. And the longevity argument is bull ****. You can get 50 year warranties on SS.

The only time we use copper is when the client is looking for a “monumental” or “very upscale” look.

I’ll take all the copper or standing seam roofing you have for those prices!

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Yeah, I meant to edit that… the price I was throwing out there was “raw copper” on the market! Might get that at the recycle yard. Fabricated copper? I dunno, but yer right! I’m sure it’s way more. Somebody ought to put the brakes on that deal.

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quote:
Originally posted by DillyDally

Copper = $3.43 per ounce. One 3x12’ sheet of copper, estimated 20 lbs = $1097.
150 sheets for the that building: $165k.
I know it sounds tuff but a sheet metal roof would be 1/10th that cost and last over 25 yrs.
Plus, a copper roof would be GONE in under 1 yr, sold at the nearest Georgia scrap yard!

Somebody better do some homework.

You sure about that price of copper, $3.43an ounce?