I haven’t posted on here in a long time. Maybe I’m finally starting to see what’s going on. Were being slowly forced to quit fishing. It took a long time for me to realize and believe that there were such hidden agendas in the legislation that has been passed in the last 20 years. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for realistic resource management, but there are groups that are working hard to stop what you and I love (Fishing).
Today in the Post and Courier http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/11/loggerhead-turtles-may-get-new-status/ was an article about declines in the Loggerhead Turtle population and the possibility that they will be placed on the endangered species list. If that happens there will be more restrictions right or wrong. Our opposition is very adept at using any and all means necessary to achieve their goal. I would be willing to guess that if the turtles are given endangered status that a likely scenario would be speed restrictions in the open ocean for all vessels and possibly more area closures. I don’t know much about the two groups listed in the article (Oceana and the Center for Biodiversity), but I suspect that they have far left views regarding the use of natural resources and the sport of fishing. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t thing I am.
quote:Loggerhead turtles have been protected for a long, long time. I have actually fished with the guys who "protect" the loggerhead turtles on the beach of Cape Island while they were protecting the turtles. Turtles are not going to stop you & me from fishing. :wink:
Originally posted by Light Tackle JohnI haven’t posted on here in a long time. Maybe I’m finally starting to see what’s going on. Were being slowly forced to quit fishing. It took a long time for me to realize and believe that there were such hidden agendas in the legislation that has been passed in the last 20 years. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for realistic resource management, but there are groups that are working hard to stop what you and I love (Fishing).
Today in the Post and Courier http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/11/loggerhead-turtles-may-get-new-status/ was an article about declines in the Loggerhead Turtle population and the possibility that they will be placed on the endangered species list. If that happens there will be more restrictions right or wrong. Our opposition is very adept at using any and all means necessary to achieve their goal. I would be willing to guess that if the turtles are given endangered status that a likely scenario would be speed restrictions in the open ocean for all vessels and possibly more area closures. I don’t know much about the two groups listed in the article (Oceana and the Center for Biodiversity), but I suspect that they have far left views regarding the use of natural resources and the sport of fishing. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t thing I am.
18’ CC w/ 115 Yami
The “Magnuson Fisheries Act” is being used to force closures in several areas and many of the groups involved with the initial legislation had much larger agendas that were not ever fully disclosed. If Loggerheads are given endangered species status a whole different set of rules will be applied. “Endangered” status will force far reaching legislation to be enacted. I didn’t want to believe what was happening for a long time and I’m not a conspiracey nut, but I now believe that there are signifigant changes that will come into play should the Loggerheads get endangered status. How does riding to the stream at a maximum speed of 10 knots sound? I’ve done a little research since I put up my post this evening and the two groups named in the article don’t have any fishermans intrest at heart. Environmental groups have become extremelly good at using endangered status as well as other legislation to achieve their objectives.
The Magnuson Fisheries Act requires fisheries managers to take certain steps in regards to resource management. The “Endangered Species Act” requires the same but in an even more agressive manner to not only protect the species in question, but to also place extreme restictions on the species environment (nesting beaches and ocean habitat).
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Originally posted by Light Tackle John… I’m not a conspiracey nut, but I now believe that there are signifigant changes that will come into play should the Loggerheads get endangered status… .I’ve done a little research since I put up my post this evening and the two groups named in the article don’t have any fishermans intrest at heart. …
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I think those groups are after you. Don’t want to get you even more riled up but, did you know that they have closed snook fishing in Florida. It’s against the law to fish for snook in Florida! For real!“Chapter68B-21, F.A.C, no person may harvest in our state (Florida) waters or possess snook beginning Jan 16, 2010 and continuing until August 31, 2010.”
And the turtles aren’t ever listed as endangered yet. Guess you were right. Better sell your fishing poles and boat before the rush starts.
18’ CC w/ 115 Yami
catch and release…Florida snook in 3 weeks pics to follow…
“Fishing is alot like sex…when its good,it’s really good, and when its bad, its still pretty good.”
Straight from the NMFS
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/recovery/turtle_loggerhead_atlantic.pdf
Vessel Strikes
Propeller and collision injuries from boats and ships are common in sea turtles. From 1997 to
2005, 14.9% of all stranded loggerheads in the U.S. Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico were
documented as having sustained some type of propeller or collision injuries although it is not
known what proportion of these injuries were post or ante-mortem. The incidence of propeller
wounds has risen from approximately 10% in the late 1980s to a record high of 20.5% in 2004
(NMFS, unpublished data). Propeller wounds are greatest in southeast Florida (Palm Beach
through Miami-Dade County); during some years, as many as 60% of the loggerhead strandings
found in these areas had propeller wounds (FFWCC, unpublished data).
Human Presence
Human presence, especially in neritic habitats, can disturb both juvenile and adult loggerheads.
The ever-growing human population in coastal areas and the corresponding increase in
recreational boating, fishing, and diving can result in behavioral disturbances to resting, foraging,
and migrating loggerheads. Continuous, intense boat traffic in neritic habitats may result in
abandonment of previously used foraging or resting areas, and intense diver/snorkeler activity
may result in displacement of loggerheads from preferred resting or foraging areas.
From what I saw it was the “Longliners Lines” that was causing the loggerheads trouble.
“You are the offspring of 5 monkeys having But Secs with a retarded fish squirrel………. CONGRADULATIONS”!!!
My point is that there is published data that could possibly be used to support other regulations.
In the last several years legislation has been passed that requires action on the part of resource managers. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but now there are much more radical eco-groups that are using the same legislation to impose their views.
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Originally posted by haz-r-dous1From what I saw it was the “Longliners Lines” that was causing the loggerheads trouble.
“You are the offspring of 5 monkeys having But Secs with a retarded fish squirrel………. CONGRADULATIONS”!!!
NEVER…I repeat NEVER caught a turtle on a sword longline! How about tear down all those oceanfront homes and condos that have been built on top of nesting beaches? Make all the barrier islands return to Cape Romain or Bull Island style. 99.999% of ALL species that have ever been on earth are extinct. These Enviro-Nutjobs, are not going to stop till the humans are on the endangered species list! What are the future generations going to think when they study how stupid we have become. You can’t irrigate California farms because of a frigging tadpole, Can’t make electricity because of a 1" snail darter that lives below a dam. I sure don’t miss Dodo birds (they tasted good) or passenger pigeons or even the great Auk (another tasty treat…see a pattern here?), and I probably won’t miss bluefin tuna when the Japanese eat the last one. But I will miss fishing if I have to give it up because of an animal rights group.
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by sellsfish [br NEVER.....I repeat NEVER caught a turtle on a sword longline! How about tear down all those oceanfront homes and condos that have been built on top of nesting beaches? Make all the barrier islands return to Cape Romain or Bull Island style. 99.999% of ALL species that have ever been on earth are extinct. These Enviro-Nutjobs, are not going to stop till the humans are on the endangered species list! What are the future generations going to think when they study how stupid we have become. You can't irrigate California farms because of a frigging tadpole, Can't make electricity because of a 1" snail darter that lives below a dam. I sure don't miss Dodo birds (they tasted good) or passenger pigeons or even the great Auk (another tasty treat....see a pattern here?), and I probably won't miss bluefin tuna when the Japanese eat the last one. But I will miss fishing if I have to give it up because of an animal rights group..
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Exactly, Stop sprall, quit trashing habitat to build a home, The alligator is on your front porch because they demucked the swamp filled it in and built a few hundred homes and left nothing but a few ponds to catch runoff from the road.
They just don’t get it.
PMS
Scout 172
Yamaha 115
most dont want to get it