Thumbing through my new cabelas saltwater catalog I saw that the penn 30vw is $449 and the 30vSw is $549. Having 5 two speed 30s myself I really don’t see a need for the second gear for SC style trolling. I wonder why the VSWs are so popular yet so few VWs.
“This is a big f— deal,” -Your Vice President
Places with bigger tuna make them very much worth the extra coin.
Iain Pelto
Edgewater 185CC “Jumpin’ Bean II”
Native Manta Ray 14
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Originally posted by hairballPlaces with bigger tuna make them very much worth the extra coin.
Iain Pelto
Edgewater 185CC “Jumpin’ Bean II”
Native Manta Ray 14
I agree. But first we have no big tuna here and 95% of my time is spent out of SC. When we travel to the “big tuna” I would use all 50ws or better for the line capacity, increased drag, and low gear
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Scoutin,
If your just fishing for kings, dolphin, wahoo, sailfish, and small tuna’s then the single speed Penn’s are all you need. I would even check out the Penn 16V. It’s a great reel for out coast. Let me know if you help. Thx
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type O, Scoutin, let me know if you need additional help
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Nasty I will be in touch. Can you sell the reels direct? I live in the upstate. Walmart, Dicks, Sport authority, k-mart etc don’t sell them. 
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesI really don’t see a need for the second gear for SC style trolling.
I have highlighted the key words in your statement that helps me not disagree with you.
As you know however, I am a big fan of versatility and efficiency. I do not like crap on my bote that does not have a purpose, and if a tool can serve more than one purpose then I favor that tool moreso than one with a singular purpose. I am especially a fan of having redundancy in gear, i.e. more than one thing that can perform a task. So I am always balancing gear that can do more than one thing with gear that is in fact very useful.
For this reason, I prefer to have ALL two speed reels. My Avet HX5/2 reels would be far less useful to me if they were stuck in the 5.2:1 high speed gear with no low gear. I could not bottom fish with them as easily. It would be far less comfortable, much like I have tried to explain to fans of these high speed star drag jigging reels who want to tell me they’re the thing for catching bottom fish. You lose versatility. You either get speed or power. I don’t care how big the main gear is, you have less power than if you have a 2:1 ratio low gear. It is simple mechanics reelly, which you ought to appreciate.
Having two speed 30’s on my bote allow me to live bait for large grouper and snapper, which need low gear initially. Period. All other things equal, if I only had the high gear, I would be at a disadvantage and likely need the larger sized reel, which generally will have a lower gear ratio.
Further, during long fights with our SC sized tuna that go deep and are way back at some times, there is a certain relief to be gained from low gear. Low gear forces you to slow your pace down and focus more on your rod and the pressure sometimes also, rat
No they are not huge fish, but it matters just the same- especially on smaller reels.*
Except when you want to get the fish in the boat without spending alot of time on a small fish. JMHO I like to get the fish in quick[sharks]. Pump and reel has worked before 2 speeds were invented.
big dog
Didnt even know there were gears
Im still tryin to master outriggers and rigging ; )
Heck off shore in general
Thanks brotha Lynn
and I’m still thankin you Phin ; )
Phin, I have plenty of two speed reels. I have 2, how do you say “problem” reels right now that need to go. I have 2 options to replace them. TLD 25s or TLD50s OR penn 30vw. Avet does not make a single speed 30w. You keep speaking of these deals on ebay for avet but I am not seeing them. I DON’T like the 4/02 clicker. My crew will not tolerate it. Yes that is a preference I know you don’t mind them. Our 30s are the short rods trolling. Never put one in low gear trolling. A good boat captain can keep the angler fresh. Only reason for the 2 speeds are for a tuna death spiral and pulling straigth up. We troll 10 rods 2 single speeds give me only a 20% chance of having to deal with this, tie that into the odds of catching a tuna big enough to wear out a angler with the death spiral off of SC and the lottery does not look so bad anymore.
So is it worth $200?? Just not feeling it. I would put the money toward something else.
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Scoutin,
I’m not in sales so I cant help you there but I can put you in touch with the correct person to order your reels.
Thx
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Originally posted by Wando GrillNo they are not huge fish, but it matters just the same- especially on smaller reels.*
Except when you want to get the fish in the boat without spending alot of time on a small fish. JMHO I like to get the fish in quick[sharks]. Pump and reel has worked before 2 speeds were invented.
big dog
Then rip the solid state ignition and electronic fuel injection out of your vehicle. Distributor/rotor and carbs has worked before they were invented…
j/k
I use the low gear to get fish in the boat faster, in fact. Faster than if I had to pump and wind, in fact.
Ask your buddy edisto-fisher how fast phin can put slinger and smallish gaffer dolphin into his fish box from strike to ski to the kick into the box from the transom door. Never even touch the gaff or leader. That’s getting small fish in the boat, sir. Not possible with pump in wind. Not possible without two speeds and the control you can have with it. Not possible at all.
I won’t even get into what a two speed option gives you in smaller reels that hold high test braided line and high drag. Pump and wind = break offs more often than steady control in those circumstances.
I also will not get into bottom fishing where 9 out of 10 fish are small fish that pumping and winding will properly provide you with a crab claw cramp by the time the 1 out of 10 big fish bites. Why not use the reel’s low gear for steady and controled power whilst using your rod in the proper positions so as not to horse the fish by jerking and winding?
When you pull another truck out of the bog with a chain, you will bend hitches and frames if you jerk. You’ve got to go steady with power and traction or you won’t get anything done but damage. Low gear, i.e. 4L, is power. And with drag power high, you’ve got the
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Originally posted by Scoutin 4 GoodiesPhin, I have plenty of two speed reels. I have 2, how do you say “problem” reels right now that need to go. I have 2 options to replace them. TLD 25s or TLD50s OR penn 30vw. Avet does not make a single speed 30w. You keep speaking of these deals on ebay for avet but I am not seeing them. I DON’T like the 4/02 clicker. My crew will not tolerate it. Yes that is a preference I know you don’t mind them.
</font id=“quote”></blockquote id=“quote”>I actually got rid of my 4/02’s and have pro 30/2’s now. Not necessarily for the clickers. Came across a good deal, and they are stronger reels than the 4/02’s. I do know how to make the 4/02’s clicker fully manual, however. If you want the “deals” on reels, then the 4/02 is the best deal you can get. I said it 4 years ago, and I still say it. The only reason I still don’t have them is because I found a way to sort of swap what I had for some used 30/2’s without coming out of pocket. That speaks to the fact that there are folks out there who want the 4/02’s regardless of your high concern for the clicker issues, which I honestly can tell you how to resolve if that is truly your hangup with them.
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Our 30s are the short rods trolling. Never put one in low gear trolling. A good boat captain can keep the angler fresh.:wink:
Sounds to me like you never have more than one fish hooked at the time. Perhaps you should reconsider what qualifies as being a “good boat captain?”
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Only reason for the 2 speeds are for a tuna death s
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Originally posted by Phinquote:
Originally posted by Wando GrillNo they are not huge fish, but it matters just the same- especially on smaller reels.*
Except when you want to get the fish in the boat without spending alot of time on a small fish. JMHO I like to get the fish in quick[sharks]. Pump and reel has worked before 2 speeds were invented.
big dog
Then rip the solid state ignition and electronic fuel injection out of your vehicle. Distributor/rotor and carbs has worked before they were invented…
j/k
I use the low gear to get fish in the boat faster, in fact. Faster than if I had to pump and wind, in fact.
Ask your buddy edisto-fisher how fast phin can put slinger and smallish gaffer dolphin into his fish box from strike to ski to the kick into the box from the transom door. Never even touch the gaff or leader. That’s getting small fish in the boat, sir. Not possible with pump in wind. Not possible without two speeds and the control you can have with it. Not possible at all.
I won’t even get into what a two speed option gives you in smaller reels that hold high test braided line and high drag. Pump and wind = break offs more often than steady control in those circumstances.
I also will not get into bottom fishing where 9 out of 10 fish are small fish that pumping and winding will properly provide you with a crab claw cramp by the time the 1 out of 10 big fish bites. Why not use the reel’s low gear for steady and controled power whilst using your rod in the proper positions so as not to horse the fish by jerking and winding?
When you pull another truck out of the bog with a chain, you will bend hitches and frames if you jerk.
Short answer:
No.
Long answer:
Sorta.
I don’t ever have braid sitting in clips or seen in a “spread.” I don’t like braid for trolling because of visibility issues for setting spreads and for the bote driver and crew to help land fish. If I cared for braid for trolling, I may have my reels holding much longer shots of line with 50 or 65lb test braid.
However, my trolling reels do have 80 or 130lb braid backing with a few hundred yds of whatever lb mono topshots. They are 30 wides. One reel has 200lb braid 3/4 way full. This is a 30 wide quad drag reel that can fish high drag when I’d like. I fill it the rest of the way with 130lb clear mono straight to a trolling bait sometimes. Or I may pull the 100yds or so of 130lb off and put 40ft of 200lb mono on it and live bait fish for grouper… Or I might live bait fish for grouper with the 130lb mono that’s on it. You never know. It can do all of it just like my regular 30’s will fish 100/130lb line if I’d like. I do not have to strip the whole spool and fill with a spool full of whatever. I only have to strip half the spool or so because I have the heavy braid underneath that stays on the reel.
Braid takes getting used to with trolling. It isn’t easily untangled like mono. It isn’t fun to run in your spread. With my setups, however, there is enough mono on top of the spools to where you rarely even see the braid. So the braid never really is in the spread. The only time you will usually see the braid at all is on the way backs or a big fish. So I’m essentially still fishing with mono, but I’ve got backing underneath that’s a little smaller in diameter but stronger test as I usually am trolling with 50/60lb mono on these reels. These 30’s are doing what 50’s used to be needed for. I have two 50 wides, and they are only for way way backs. I will not even take them on the boat unless I will be trolling way way backs. They are half full of braid as well.
“Tigress” '88 Mako 211
Luke 8:22-25
So if I have 2 speed reels I can bring slinger dolphin to the boat faster? We try to stay away from the slingers. But I can understand why you would like catching them. Do you take the rod out of the holder when you fight fish in first gear? Remember this is about trollings so please leave the bottomfishing out.
“This is a big f— deal,” -Your Vice President
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Originally posted by PhinI have two 50 wides, and they are only for way way backs. I will not even take them on the boat unless I will be trolling way way backs. They are half full of braid as well.
“Tigress” '88 Mako 211
Luke 8:22-25
What pound mono do your run on the 50s? Why top shot? Do you need the line capacity?? Try putting the angler and the bow and driving toward the fish. Should keep you from getting spooled. I find it interesting how few big sporties top shot there reels to troll off our coast. Wonder why?
“This is a big f— deal,” -Your Vice President
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Originally posted by PhinShort answer:
No.Long answer:
Sorta.
I don’t ever have braid sitting in clips or seen in a “spread.” I don’t like braid for trolling because of visibility issues for setting spreads and for the bote driver and crew to help land fish. If I cared for braid for trolling, I may have my reels holding much longer shots of line with 50 or 65lb test braid.
However, my trolling reels do have 80 or 130lb braid backing with a few hundred yds of whatever lb mono topshots. They are 30 wides. One reel has 200lb braid 3/4 way full. This is a 30 wide quad drag reel that can fish high drag when I’d like. I fill it the rest of the way with 130lb clear mono straight to a trolling bait sometimes. Or I may pull the 100yds or so of 130lb off and put 40ft of 200lb mono on it and live bait fish for grouper… Or I might live bait fish for grouper with the 130lb mono that’s on it. You never know. It can do all of it just like my regular 30’s will fish 100/130lb line if I’d like. I do not have to strip the whole spool and fill with a spool full of whatever. I only have to strip half the spool or so because I have the heavy braid underneath that stays on the reel.Braid takes getting used to with trolling. It isn’t easily untangled like mono. It isn’t fun to run in your spread. With my setups, however, there is enough mono on top of the spools to where you rarely even see the braid. So the braid never really is in the spread. The only time you will usually see the braid at all is on the way backs or a big fish. So I’m essentially still fishing with mono, but I’ve got backing underneath that’s a little smaller in diameter but stronger test as I usually am trolling with 50/60lb mono on these reels. These 30’s are doing what 50’s used to be needed for. I have two 50 wides, and they are only for way way backs. I will not even take them on the boat unless I will be t
Short answer: if you are fishing 30 lb class reels with 30 lb line for trolling off Charleston, there is no need for low gear 99.99% of the time.
Phin ur advice makes no sense. What do u think low gear actually does? Your rhetoric on reels is comical! Hint: you must have the arm strength of a seven year old.
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