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Originally posted by Top2Bottom1If it costs more it must be better, right?.
Russ B.
Psalm 55:22
no but if it is proven to be better then it must be better and if it is a higher quality of oil then it must be better.
From reds to marlin you got it.
2001 210 Sea Fox
2009 Yamaha F150
2009 Skeeter 24V
2009 Yamaha F300 V8
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(Team Boat)
proven by…??
Russ B.
Psalm 55:22
there will always be guys that run the most expensive stuff or only the dealer oil because they feel the have to. The dealers love it. Yamaha doesn’t make oil, an oil manufacture makes it. Yamaha state’s for that motor a TCW3 oil is reccomended. almost all oils made today meet and exceed the specs needed for that motor. There is a post on outdoors best, showing that yamalube actually causes more carbon build up than penzoil. Not that yamalube is bad, but if you want to spend the money, there are better oils than yamalube.
whistling
I understand you work for a dealer that sells yamaha, but do you ever have any ACTUAL science or facts or real world experience to support your opinions? I mean, I have no problems with opinions, but there are those of us that try and base them on facts and experience, not just what we have overheard or read somewhere on the internet.
different oils do have different blends of additives for different applications. and some motors need those additives to perform properly. If you run cheap oil in an optimax, it will carbon up much faster, and run poorly.
a carbed 2 stroke motor doesnt have the sensors to care what oil it burns, it just needs to lube the metal to metal contact. any TCWIII oil will do that perfectly fine
Why would you say
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Originally posted by chris Vwhistling
I understand you work for a dealer that sells yamaha, but do you ever have any ACTUAL science or facts or real world experience to support your opinions? I mean, I have no problems with opinions, but there are those of us that try and base them on facts and experience, not just what we have overheard or read somewhere on the internet.different oils do have different blends of additives for different applications. and some motors need those additives to perform properly. If you run cheap oil in an optimax, it will carbon up much faster, and run poorly.
a carbed 2 stroke motor doesnt have the sensors to care what oil it burns, it just needs to lube the metal to metal contact. any TCWIII oil will do that perfectly fineWhy would you say
I’m now at www.teamcharlestonmarine.com
Well Its funny how you as a tech says one thing then all my other techs say a complete other. i listen to what they tell me because well they have been to school for it and they work on them everyday. I know the carb two strokes do not need it as much as the HPDIs. Like I said I listen to what my techs say and what ever other techs I am around say. Maybe you are a tech that disagrees but I like to learn and if I am taught something by a bunch of professionals then that is what I go by. so I hope that answers your question.
From reds to marlin you got it.
2001 210 Sea Fox
2009 Yamaha F150
2009 Skeeter 24V
2009 Yamaha F300 V8
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(Team Boat)
Warranty work costs outboard companies a lot of money, right? If oem oil is measurably superior,and, therefore causes the least amount of problems(or prevents problems better) it would result in fewer warranty claims. If this was the case woulnd’t it be required ?
Since they don’t in most cases, it seems its just a marketing tactic
dixie
ask your techs how many failures they have seen on yamaha carbed 2 strokes that they could even remotely contribute to type of oil used?
No, really, I am serious
go in the back of the shop today and ask the guys. dont try to lead them, just say, “I was talking with some guys and we were discussing oils. have you ever seen a yamaha carbed motor fail from using oil other than yamalube”
next time you are in charleston, I will buy your lunch, if you ask all your techs that question, regardless of the answer.
I’m now at www.teamcharlestonmarine.com
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Originally posted by chris Vdixie
ask your techs how many failures they have seen on yamaha carbed 2 strokes that they could even remotely contribute to type of oil used?No, really, I am serious
go in the back of the shop today and ask the guys. dont try to lead them, just say, “I was talking with some guys and we were discussing oils. have you ever seen a yamaha carbed motor fail from using oil other than yamalube”
next time you are in charleston, I will buy your lunch, if you ask all your techs that question, regardless of the answer.I’m now at www.teamcharlestonmarine.com
Im coming at the end of June and I definitly want to ride down to your store and meet you. That is actually almost word for word what I asked them. Now our carbed motors do not come back as often but they merely said that if you want to extend the life of the motor that you should only use top grade oil such as yamalube. They also mentioned do not mix oils becuase they can seperate and gunk up leading to failures.
From reds to marlin you got it.
2001 210 Sea Fox
2009 Yamaha F150
2009 Skeeter 24V
2009 Yamaha F300 V8
(loaded)
(Team Boat)
Dixie,
what chris is telling you is those motors need a tcw3 oil, period. When an OX66 comes in for repair, it is not because the motor has excessive wear from on all cylinders from inferior oil. If the motor is getting TCW3 oil it will be fine. How many times have you ever heard someone say, Penzoil, Supertech or Castrol caused my motor to blow up.
Generally the failure can be related to , lack of oil (oil pump failure), water in oil, a Bad gasket somewhere, overheat, overrev, badfuel/lean condition, etc. The only thting that coudl be attributed to oil is carbon buildup, which eventually will cause problem for a motor. Decarb reguraly and use a TCW3 oil and you will be good. As mentioned, DFI, HPDI Optimax motors need a good synthetic oil.
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Originally posted by jeffro22Dixie,
what chris is telling you is those motors need a tcw3 oil, period. When an OX66 comes in for repair, it is not because the motor has excessive wear from on all cylinders from inferior oil. If the motor is getting TCW3 oil it will be fine. How many times have you ever heard someone say, Penzoil, Supertech or Castrol caused my motor to blow up.
Generally the failure can be related to , lack of oil (oil pump failure), water in oil, a Bad gasket somewhere, overheat, overrev, badfuel/lean condition, etc. The only thting that coudl be attributed to oil is carbon buildup, which eventually will cause problem for a motor. Decarb reguraly and use a TCW3 oil and you will be good. As mentioned, DFI, HPDI Optimax motors need a good synthetic oil.
Jeffro I have no idea who you are. Are you a tech? I am merely going by what all of my techs that I work with everyday tell me. Also Yamalube is not a true synthetic oil so HPDIs do not need a synthetic oil. They are built for yamalube. Now why would multiple techs that I work with who have been to yamaha training just like ole Chris V tell me yamalube only. Other techs that are at other local dealerships tell me yamalube for all yamaha engines also. I actually get my motors worked on by a tech that works for another dealership nearby on my personal two boats because he is a good friend and he tells me the same thing that my techs here tell me. maybe its a regional thing I don’t know but when guys who benefit nothing from telling me to use yamalube tell me to use yamalube and have been through hours of training and classes I think I will listen to them. I use yamalube on my F150, my yamaha 25 and I have to use it on the skeeter because its not mine. Now granite my 25 is the only 2 stroke (which is what we are talking abou
No, I am not a tech. I have seen in person many motors torn down. I worked at a shop while I was in college. I have never seen a motor come in b/c it was a yamaha, and the owner used quicksilver oil or penzoil, or any other tcw3 oil and it was the result of the problem.
I have seen plenty of motors with blown powerheds from numerous other problems as I mentioned above. I never said yamalube was a bad oil. It is not necasarily the best oil or the worst IMO, but is it nessacary for a yamaha? Absolutely not, especially an older carbed version. These are plenty of oils that will do just as good for less money. When you buy yamalube, you are paying for the name, not a superior oil. I do like to find an oil that is well priced and easy to get and stick with it. But mixing of TCW3 oils should be OK too, it is part of the TCW3 certification process that they are compatible with one another. Also, weedeater oil will genrally have a different rating and should not be used unless it is tcw3. Generally there are different ash characteristics and ratings involved with small air cooled motors.