Been having trouble getting improved clinch knot to hold with +60# mono. Sometimes it slips undone. So what do you use?
Perfection loop seems strong and quick to tie. Not sure if the loop is good for all baits. Found new-to-me knot on YouTube, “simplest and smallest knot for heavy mono”. Ties quick and looks good, though not sure what is its name? Has anyone tried this?
Other suggestions appreciated.
OM
I use the oldest and simplest knot I know…stick line through the eye of the hook, rap around 6-7 times, stick loose end through the gap, pull tight. I’ve never had one pull loose.
Stupid easy, can be done without looking at it and with heavy mono, strong.
A lot of images show a double loop through the eye of the hook, I never bother.
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Claim, that’s the clinch (or fisherman’s) knot, improved clinch is passing tag end back thru upper loop. hard to get proper compression on the knot with heavy mono.
For heavy mono?..Grinner/ Uni Knot.
Palomar knot is what I usually use. If the line is too large for that, crimp it.
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Originally posted by barbawangClaim, that’s the clinch (or fisherman’s) knot, improved clinch is passing tag end back thru upper loop. hard to get proper compression on the knot with heavy mono.
I wasn’t sure. My uncle showed it to me when I was probably seven or eight years old. It’s the one I’ve always used. Simple and easy.
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190cc Sea Pro w/130 Johnson
1- 20 year old (boy of leisure)
1 - 17 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
x2 on the Palomar knot for heavy mono.
The Clinch or Improved Clinch doesn’t work well for me past 20# line.
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Uni knot works good for that. If you need a loop knot, the kreh knot works well,too.
I haven’t tried the jansik that was recommended, but I will soon.
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Originally posted by Cracker LarryPalomar knot is what I usually use. If the line is too large for that, crimp it.
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Yep. Palomar up to 100#, then crimp anything larger.
The palomar will typically be the last thing to fail/
I have used a 4 twist trilene knot up to 150 test- but you need to hook the hook to a cleat or something and use pliers to pull the tag end.
most knots will work if you do that.
Thanks so much for the several good suggestions. Claim, its the clinch knot that has been giving me trouble. And I’ve been using it for +50 years too, but maybe the line is stiffer, or something with my technique?
Have not tried Palomar with heavy mono, but love it for braid. Not sure can get line through eyes of small hooks twice? Will definitely try Jansik.
I use crimps some too, especially for trolling. But think a spooky fish might possibly notice them.
If you have not already, please do look at knot in Youtube “Best fishing knot for heavy mono leader”. Basically you go through hook eye once, wrap around main line twice, and then send tag end through two loops parallel to main line, toward rod end. It is fast to tie and looks and feels good. But I have not tested it with a big fish and heavy drag yet.
As you likely know, some say the perfection loop allows circle hooks to better do their thing. It seems the opposite of snelling (that holds line to hook in rigid connection), that others advocate for circles, but it has worked for me.
OM
Unfortunately I can give a real life testimony as we lost a huge grouper due to knot failure last week fishing in Sanibel,Fla.Uni knot on 50 pound braid to 60 pound mono leader held fine,but clich knot on hook failed us.Wish this thread would a couple of weeks earlier.
Don’t remember the exact name of the knot, I pass the line through the eye twice then form a Uni above. Never had the knot fail. That Jansik looks pretty easy though.
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The fellow I fish with offshore uses the jansik and I use the palomar. Never seen either one fail, but I find the palomar a little easier and faster to tie. Whatever works.
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I crimp anything above 60 lb. Its quick and I don’t have to worry about it pulling.
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This is a great thread. Good sharing of info…anyways…I’ve been playing around with some 50# Stren Stamina I use on my “Bull Red” set-ups as a rub leader. Tied and somewhat tested some knots for a bit now; Simple Clinch, Improved Clinch, Trilene, Palomar, Jansik, Uni, Grinner and others that were a pain. IMO, the bigger mono gets, the less twists you can make and still pull the knot tight. I personally use the Improved Clinch 95% of the time, for mono under 30#, never fails. Mono over 30#, I have found the Grinner/Uni to be the most reliable. During my “testing” more than 4 turns on 50# mono gets difficult to pull tight. Simple Clinch will pull loose. Improved Clinch faired better still slips with only 3-4 turns. Palomar?..If it works for you, use it, never has been one that I use. Seemed to just come loose on it’s own. Technique? Some others seemed okay. My favorite was/is a Three twist Grinner/Uni. I have had hooks and swivels break before the knot. Doesn’t look like much, but I can not get it to slip. even with only three raps.
Huh. I’m tying 100lb mono to a barrel swivel using the simple clinch knot and they never pull loose. Leaders get bit in half, braid gets broken, but ever have a break off at the swivel. Maybe it’s the kind of mono that makes the difference.
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Equipment:
190cc Sea Pro w/130 Johnson
1- 20 year old (boy of leisure)
1 - 17 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
I tie a might knot. It might work, it might knot.
Seriously though, the improved clinch knot works for me on 200lb mono.
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I crimp anything over 80# and clinch everything else, always worked for me