I have a model 700 rem. 7mm mag with the scope that came on it. After a long two seasons of a very small eye relief, I’m wantin a new scope. I don’t wanna break the bank by gettin a $500 scope what are yalls suggestions on a scope? It has to be atleast a 3-9x50. What are yalls opinions on what to get? I’ve looked at vortex optics and like those any of yall use them?
I’ll sell you my leupold vxiii for 375 if you want a really nice scope. Pm me if youre interested
Natchez Shooters Supply has a Weaver Super Slam Euro 3X9X56 Illuminated #4 Reticle for like $399.00, you’ll have to get new rings, its a 30mm tube. The Glass in the Super Slam Series is the same as in the Leupold VX3 and VXR series as well as a ton of other upper/mid range domestic marketed scopes, all made in Japan. The also have the rest of the Super Slams on sale, really good optics for the price. Ziess has come out with a Terra series which is the lower limits of the Conquest line. Stiener is now importing the Predator series of their scopes but I have yet to put one to my eye. Natchez also has a few Bushnell 4200’s left in stock, great low light, mid range hunting scopes. Tons of options out there in that price range, some are good and some aren’t (IMO Nikon is the latter).
Look on SWFA in the Sample List, you can sometimes pick up a higher end optic in a slightly used shape by watching them.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Salty, what’s the difference between the Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10x56 for $299 or the Super Slam Euro you mentioned above?
Sea Hunt 202
Yam 150
Super Slam’s have a bit better optical quality glass, internals are more polished with pop up resettable turrets and the reticle is etched into the glass, not a filament that can detatch. The only thing that I do not like about the Weaver #4 post is that it is very thin, not real easy to see in low light without turning on the dot illumination. The illumination is pretty fine when set on the lowest setting but any illumination seems to hurt my low light vision.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Salty, are you not a fan of Nikon? What is your thought on the Monarch and the Prostaff?
Sea Hunt 202
Yam 150
I’ve had nothing but problems out of the Nikon’s I had. First was a Buckmaster I had mounted on a Sako 75 in 7mm08, got the rifle zero’d in and one morning had a very nice buck in front of me, I shot and the scope sounded like a tin can full of rocks. Sent it back and got a new one in return, set it back up and promptly had an erector got bad. Found it out after missing a doe. Sent it back got another one and sold it before I had another problem. Put a Ziess Conquest on the Sako and killed 4 deer late in the season with 4 shots. The optical quality was fine.
Had a pair of Nikon Binos that wouldn’t focus and stayed fogged up.
Some people like them and have good luck but like a Chevy truck, I won’t own another.
To be honest, I think the majority of the glass is made by one source in Japan, its the coatings and assembly of the other components that is the difference.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Salty, I have a Remington 700XCR and a Browning A-Bolt both in 30-06 and both with Nikon Prostaffs. I would like to upgrade into a better scope an I am interested in the Weaver mentioned above. I have never had a 30mm tube and not sure how it would fit on either gun. Also I had always wanted a little more power like a 12 or 15. The Weaver is such a great price. How would a 30mm scope fit on those guns?
I have a Remington 700 Stainless 300WSM on a HS precision stock topped with a Millett 6x24x56. That is a 35mm tube and it is way to big for the woods. What are your thoughts?
Sea Hunt 202
Yam 150
Midway runs a special on the whitetail line from simmons. u can pick a 4-20X50 up for 99.-129. plus shippin. I have this scope on 3 different rifles and LOVE everyone!!
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Originally posted by loopervetSalty, I have a Remington 700XCR and a Browning A-Bolt both in 30-06 and both with Nikon Prostaffs. I would like to upgrade into a better scope an I am interested in the Weaver mentioned above. I have never had a 30mm tube and not sure how it would fit on either gun. Also I had always wanted a little more power like a 12 or 15. The Weaver is such a great price. How would a 30mm scope fit on those guns?
I have a Remington 700 Stainless 300WSM on a HS precision stock topped with a Millett 6x24x56. That is a 35mm tube and it is way to big for the woods. What are your thoughts?
Sea Hunt 202
Yam 150
You’ll just need new rings, probably a set of highs. I like the 30mm tube on the rifles I have them on. I don’t find them bulky or too big. Then again, I carry the gun no more than 500yds to the stand and could care less what it weighs. I have lightweight set ups that are good for stalking around and shooting unsupported and they have small scopes or just irons. DNZ Gamereaper in high for the rifle would be a good combo.
The new gun I put together has a Weaver Tactical 3X15X50 and its a big , heavy scope.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Get a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x50. Best scope for the money. I got mine for $200. Great eye relief, good zoom, and it lets me see until past dark.
Nikon Prostaff, Redfield Revolution, Bushnell’s 3200 series, Weaver Grand Slam/Classic, Leupold VX1 & 2, Burris Fullfield etc., put them all in a bucket and pull one out, there isn’t a nickels worth of difference between them other than the nameplate on the side.
Long ago I had a Simmons on a .300Wby mag it did OK for a little while and one day it failed and I mean fell completely apart. Cheap scopes don’t hold up to the pounding a larger overbore will give them. They are fine if you shoot the gun a few times a year around deer season and may last a good while but, if you shoot a good bit then they are going to fail in no time. Plus the optical quality of the scope isn’t that great especially when you start shooting at longer ranges.
I spend between $500-$1000.00 on a scope typically, would like some of the $1500-$3000.00 models but there is a point where the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Buy a good quality scope and a great set of binos. You use the binos a lot more than the scope.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
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Originally posted by saltydog235 Long ago I had a Simmons on a .300Wby mag it did OK for a little while and one day it failed and I mean fell completely apart. Cheap scopes don't hold up to the pounding a larger overbore will give them. They are fine if you shoot the gun a few times a year around deer season and may last a good while but, if you shoot a good bit then they are going to fail in no time. Plus the optical quality of the scope isn't that great especially when you start shooting at longer ranges.
There is the answer. I’ve had some cheaper scopes Zeroed in on a 3006 only to have my son shoot it and find it off. You can put the cheaper ones on a .17 and never have an issue. Start pounding them with heavy recoil and they will more than likely fail.
Salty, I’ve got an old pre-jap Redfield that is pretty nice. 
There’s not a dang thing wrong with a lot of the Jap glass, some of it rivals or exceeds its German/European counterparts. There are only a handful of scopes completely manufactured in the USA.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
This discussion has been going on almost as long as the - which bullet & caliber is better for self defense - discussion, and it has just as many different opinions. My experience comes from time with DNR, wood stove/beer time with old time hunters, hours in the woods with all kinds of hunters that wanted to show off their weapons and personal experience.
What I learned is - cheap scope = eventual problems - there is no chance to brag when the big one gets away because of a cheap scope that:
- fogged
- didn’t keep zero
- isn’t good at low light
- looks smokey when the fog starts to creep in
- halos with a setting/rising sun
Remember that you’re making memories and you may only have one chance - one chance for your kid at their first trigger pull, “Daddy it’s fuzzy when I look…”
I’m not convinced that the $1000+ scopes are sufficiently different than an $800 scope. But a $800 scope is definitely different than a $250 scope.
Coated optics, water tightness, glass quality, mounting system, tube size, magnification, reticle type, objective lens size, etc. do make a difference. It’s hard to know what to do. For instance, I have a Leopold VarXIII 3.5x10 that most would agree would be a top quality device. It was a step up from a Bushnell BDC 3x9. The Bushnell was supposed to be a good device. Comparing these two under identical conditions easily showed the huge shortcomings of the Bushnell so it was transferred and mounted on an old 22 rifle.
Do some research on the net to learn about optics, objective lens size, coatings and reticles. Then go to a store that carries a few brands where you can see outside. Glare management and low light are two of the most common problems. Go in the early evening or on a dark cloudy day. Pick out a few to try and look outside aiming at a fixed object 100+ yards away that has different colors and sharp edges between the colors. Move the magnification. See what you can learn.
When I did this with a Nikon, Leopold VarXIII and a Meopta I was quite surprised at th
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Originally posted by saltydog235There’s not a dang thing wrong with a lot of the Jap glass, some of it rivals or exceeds its German/European counterparts. There are only a handful of scopes completely manufactured in the USA.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
That’s why I said pre-jap. I believe Redfield after 1998 has been bought and sold 5 or 6 times. Redfield is nostalgia if you are over 50 years old and remember before Leupold and Stevens finally came out with a competitive/technical scope that equaled the old redfield.
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Originally posted by saltydog235There’s not a dang thing wrong with a lot of the Jap glass, some of it rivals or exceeds its German/European counterparts. There are only a handful of scopes completely manufactured in the USA.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
That’s why I said pre-jap. I believe Redfield after 1998 has been bought and sold 5 or 6 times. Redfield is nostalgia if you are over 50 years old and remember before Leupold and Stevens finally came out with a competitive/technical scope that equaled the old redfield.
Oh I know what they are. I have a few Weaver K4 originals that work better that some of the junk people will throw $150.00 at now. Those optics are 50 years old too. However, none of them hold a candle to today’s upper mid to high range scopes.
Mark
Pioneer 222 Sportfish Yamaha F300
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
“Life’s tough…It’s even tougher if you’re stupid” John Wayne
Buy the best you can afford. Then later if you can afford better put the lesser scope on your .22.
I still shoot Bushnell 3.5x10x45 for the price. I think it is now made as a 4x12x50. Only had a problem once in 25 yrs but, once a retical came loose. Sent it off and got a new one back for no charge in two weeks. It was on my 270. My son did fess up to dropping my gun later on. So - still don’t know the cause. My next would be a Redfield - they are made by Leupold as a midrange priced scope. I use to have an old one I loved. Was a DA for getting rid of it. I really like the new ones too.
J Ford
I have a zeiss conquest on my 7mm rem mag. The scope is a perfect setup for the rifle. You can get the Conquest for under $400 and I would put its glass up against anything else in its price range. I see no need for a 50mm bell on a 3x9 scope. The 40mm objective gathers all the light that could be used until you get to much larger magnifications. The 40mm will also allow you to use medium rings which will allow the scope to sit closer to the barrel and will be less likely to get hit.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/zeiss-3-9x40mm-conquest-rifle-scope-with-z-plex-reticle1.html