That’s your DNR, folks.
I’m no genius nor a specialist working on the hill BUT, wouldn’t one assume since double the estimate amount were “harvested” last year would that not correlate with better spawn rate/numbers in our water?
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Originally posted by RealfinNOAA could not pull this off without the HELP of the Souyh Carolina Department of Natural Resources.
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Originally posted by DFreedomquote:
Unreal. Don't these people work for us?
So do all the clowns in Washington and Columbia but do they listen to us? THAT is the problem with government. A select few think they know what is best for the rest of us and they seldom get it right. And the left wants MORE government.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
How do you/we expect our government to operate as an intelligent being if all we elect are businessmen and lawyers? All they care about is money, making new laws, and how much they will make at their next gig after giving a few kickbacks. If we actually elected scientist, teachers, and engineers we would solve some problems.
Grow up and stop acting like it all the left’s fault when you’re *****ing about Columbia in a Republican state. You’re crying about losing you freedom to fish for one fish but ignore what you lost with the “Patriot” act.
First, Most, Biggest
I want to catch them all
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070112-3.html
DFreedum,this dude got the ball rolling,and I believe he was in (R)ight field.
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Originally posted by poke saladhttp://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070112-3.html
DFreedum,this dude got the ball rolling,and I believe he was in (R)ight field.
Uh, reread D’s post:
“So do all the clowns in Washington and Columbia but do they listen to us? THAT is the problem with government. A select few think they know what is best for the rest of us and they seldom get it right. And the left wants MORE government.”
Sounds to me like he was criticizing ALL government, not playing sides. And the comment about the left was just a generalization. You can apply it to whatever topic you want…
Common sense > emotion
“I’m not a hundred percent in love with your tone right now…”
Black Bart…you get me. I am not a fan of any political party at this point, just less a fan of the left.
“Apathy is the Glove into Which Evil Slips It’s Hand”.
The first time I recommended we (SC) take over management of BSB, I was met with tremendous opposition, making the point that the Feds would strip of of the allotted quota based on lower ACL’s. BSB is now open. And if the Feds take it away, I’ll make (**() sure that DNR doesn’t enforce it. That doesn’t mean the Feds couldn’t hire a bunch of federal officers to patrol the coast, but there’s not much we can do about that.
I then started asking about ARS. It’s true that we don’t have as much of an argument about ARS being a state resource. It’s pretty easy to make that argument with BSB. But now here we are. 8 years into the ban. So I’ll pose the question again: is it time to assert Managment jurisdiction, or in the alternative, denial of enforcement, by the state?
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
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Originally posted by yellabirdSo I’ll pose the question again: is it time to assert Managment jurisdiction, or in the alternative, denial of enforcement, by the state?
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
Personally I am not into decimating a fish stock or any other resource that is in a PROVEN state of decline/trouble, nor do I think anyone else is.
We just collectively find it hard to believe that the resource cannot withstand some “harvest” based on what we see on the water with our own eyes.
It is a matter of whether we trust the people that are making these decisions and the information they are using to make these decisions.
I am for state management in general if they get the funding to make educated/informed decisions.
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Originally posted by Courtlandquote:
Originally posted by yellabirdSo I’ll pose the question again: is it time to assert Managment jurisdiction, or in the alternative, denial of enforcement, by the state?
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
Personally I am not into decimating a fish stock or any other resource that is in a PROVEN state of decline/trouble, nor do I think anyone else is.
We just collectively find it hard to believe that the resource cannot withstand some “harvest” based on what we see on the water with our own eyes.
It is a matter of whether we trust the people that are making these decisions and the information they are using to make these decisions.
I am for state management in general if they get the funding to make educated/informed decisions.
Stephen Goldfinch
“Sleep When You’re Dead!”
No one here is advocating for decimation of any species, save maybe the lionfish. That’s the kind of language regulators use to push an agenda.
As for the ARS, if you believe it’s doing anything but dramatically increasing in numbers, you may be drinking the wrong Kool Aid.
At least we can agree that state government, being a more nimble and responsive government, is better suited for managing our fishery.
Red snapper are not important. What is important is that we are (for the most part) intelligent, responsible citizens of this country who care about our natural resources in general, and our marine resources in particular. We elect representatives locally to nationally who we , by all rights, expect will act in our best interest. In lots of situations that is not the case, but it should be most of the time. That is what is important. In this case of fisheries management, we sport fishers are being blatantly ignored.
Several years ago, there was an interview on PBS (Public Radio) that featured Dr. Sylvia Earle, a renowned expert in marine biology. The gist of what she said was that , world-wide, marine fisheries were in trouble. Her background gave what she said substantial credibility, hence the interview before at least a national audience. I heard her state in that interview that she had the good fortune to attend a luncheon with scientists and “leaders” from all over the world. At her table, seated next to her was Pres, George Bush. She had his ear for an hour and a half. He told her that he had no idea that the situation with our fisheries was so dire, and he promised her that something would be done about it. She suggested large scale closures and large MPA’s. Shortly after, before he left the Presidency, the Magnusan Act was passed. Huge areas of the South Pacific under American control were officially closed to almost all fishing. Then came Alaska, and the west coast. And then our coast.
If you want to know why we are not being represented, read her book “The World Is Blue”.
My opinion is like that of Mr. Goldfinch. I believe NOAA should be stripped of their duties of managing fish stocks. They have proven over and over that they are incapable of collecting the data required to make decisions on the welfare of fish stocks. Maybe it’s just too big of a project, I don’t know what the problem is but they just can’t seem to do it. The entire network of Councils should be disbanned. The money that is going to fund the management councils should be diverted to the State’s DNR Offices with an earmark that it is used to fund biologist and fishery management staff. This staff should work exclusively on mangaging the fish stocks from their shoreline outward.
I think all MPA’s should be turned back over to the public after a set number of years. MPAs need to be regulated so they can only take a small % of our fishing ground for limited time before it comes back to us.
218WA Sailfish
200 Verado
The "Penn"sion Plan
I’ve already caught more red snapper this year than I did all last year combined. Seems there’s not much of a shortage here.
Mayhem
Pioneer 197
^^^Exactly. I’ve caught more ARS in the last 3 years than I’ve caught my whole life. We are catching them in places they used to not be.
My son and I dove a “PUBLIC REEF” in shallow water (less than 100’ deep)3 weeks ago. Folks, these were DNR published #s and the bottom was covered in ARS…Big ones, little ones, chicken sized ones. They may well have outnumbered BSB on that piece of structure.
I’m convinced it’s not about the species, they are just using the species to promote the new management technique, Catch Shares.
The interest is in “selling” you tickets or opportunities to harvest a few. It’s all about $$$$$$ and control.
218WA Sailfish
200 Verado
The "Penn"sion Plan
Catch share is a secondary issue… It’s MPA’s that they are promoting… Greg Waugh wants nothing more than to see thousands of square miles of MPA’s from NC to the Keys… The rationale is, if you can close off 80% of the fishing grounds, then you don’t have to worry about what happens in the other 20%… His dream is to close off X% with MPA’s and then basically implement a per trip limit based on pound. In other words, they close off, say 80% of the fishing grounds and then you have a limit like 60 lbs of “fish” per boat, and no per-species regulations. This is similar to what they do in the Bahamas and he get’s a boner thinking about it…
Lawdy lawdy,what is all the fuss about?Everyone knows bsb are a better eating fish than a dang old ars.
^^The fuss is, I’m being denied access to a rebuilt and healthy stock just because some a$$ clowns are on a power trip.
I agree that more MPAs are a pipe dream for some of the guys, but I believe ultimately it is coming back to money. “How much can we (government) make by selling access to this wonderful resource that we have so eloquently saved from extinction” And then they sit around an pat each other’s back.
218WA Sailfish
200 Verado
The "Penn"sion Plan
quote:Can't be about money. I don't know if they are even talking about charging for catch shares, and if they are, it's a drop in the bucket... Red Snapper for instance. The TAC is 100,000 fish... Let's say that they sold them for $5 per tag. They would make $500K. I don't think that's a "get rich quick" program by any means...
Originally posted by RDW^^The fuss is, I’m being denied access to a rebuilt and healthy stock just because some a$$ clowns are on a power trip.
I agree that more MPAs are a pipe dream for some of the guys, but I believe ultimately it is coming back to money. “How much can we (government) make by selling access to this wonderful resource that we have so eloquently saved from extinction” And then they sit around an pat each other’s back.218WA Sailfish
200 Verado
The "Penn"sion Plan
It’s about the MPA’s. They have been talking about it since the late 90’s. They’ve decided that MPA’s are the way that they want to manage the fishery. They just need to figure out how to implement it. Everything else is a dog and pony show, “Well, if you let us have these MPA’s, we can give you X,Y,Z in return”…
bet these will be flying off the shelves here soon.
Who wants to open a tacoboat?
First, Most, Biggest
I want to catch them all