Warbler, You have s**t in your own tent
Well, I don’t know anything about the commercial guys fishing offshore but I do know a little about an issue with inshore deep hole shrimping. I’ve watched guys I know are outlaws with commercial permits deep hole for shrimp, catch a legal cooler, leave and come back 30 minutes later for another, over and over until they can’t catch any more. They are out every day the tides work doing the same thing and they are not in areas open for commercial shrimp harvesting. To say there are no dirty commercial fishermen is like saying no commercial truck drivers speed. That said, the same is true of some recreational fishermen. I watched a guy gaff then take off with a 40+ inch redfish. When I questioned him, he flipped the bird and left with the fish. Unfortunately for him, I knew a nearby game warden who took care of the problem. All fishermen should obey the laws. The percentage of outlaws is small but they hurt us all.
Olde Man Charters
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Originally posted by RedstripeI would think more illegal sales goes on between rec guys. Say you go out and catch 30 big Mauis and know someone who owns a restaurant. Just sayin. I don’t know where this Warbler has come from, but he sure isn’t afraid to come here and assail the character of many long time posters…geez.
You nailed it! I don’t know who this Warbler guy is ,but he is completely wrong. there is more elicit sale on the recreational side then on the commercial side. Everything from dolphin to Bait caught shrimp. There are outlaw recs. that sell to many local restaurants, the Ladson flea market or up in Columbia at the flea market. I can’t tell you how many fishermen have come into the store to try to sell me fish with out the proper licenses. Before you call out any commercial captain, you better have proof. I’m sure some of the local Dnr agents that are on this board will concur with me.
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Oyster Baron
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Hopeless. Educate yourself
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Originally posted by natureboyHopeless. Educate yourself
Natureboy, you and other folks seem to cry foul when any regulations are proposed, so how do you think the fishery should be managed, both rec and commercial? Here’s your chance to tell all us uneducated types how it should be. Thanks.
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
The first step is admission of a lack of knowledge . Everything is here on this forum. Lots to read - Take your time - and until you understand just give us your fishing reports.
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Originally posted by natureboyThe first step is admission of a lack of knowledge . Everything is here on this forum. Lots to read - Take your time - and until you understand just give us your fishing reports.
Again, what do you propose “we” do? (Rec or commercial or both).
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
all they would have to do is write YETI on the bracelets and 90% of the fisherman will be lining up to pay top dollar.
VMS will DESTROY bottomfishing FOREVER. Once the federal government get’s a hold of every last bottom fishing coordinate in our area and publishes the numbers (public information act), there will be NO SECRETS left. That means when FLORIDA get’s 90% of the recreational catch shares that you are begging for, you will have a line of Florida boats waiting to hit your favorite bottom fishing spots in Charleston, why you sit on the dock drinking your natural light wondering why it’s “fair” that out of towners get to fish “your resource” and you didn’t get a red snapper permit. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. VMS and catch shares are the 1,2 combo punch to the nuts of our fishery. Think about it… Are they really going to hire 100’s of people who sit there and watch VMS video all day long? Hell no. They just want the GPS tracking so that they can gather every scrap of positional data that they can.
Oh, and Warbler, if your beef is with commercial guys, you are going to be really pissed off when you hear the SAFMC plan to pay for the devices. Guess who is NOT paying for them? The commercial guys. Guess who will be outfitting each commercial vessel with a THREE THOUSAND dollar device? It has been proposed to subsidize the devices with federal tax money. You know… YOUR MONEY…
The last time they tried they were gonna give them to us but if it quit or stopped working we hod to come back to the dock so buy a 40,000 dollar permit a boat and the everything else try to make a living we are the ones getting slapped.
And the commercial fishers would have had to pay for the monitoring - much like paying for a satellite cell phone with unlimited minutes.
I think what most fishermen ( comm’s and rec’s) want is fair rules. Todays laws are made often to appease enviro groups, without any factual data to back it up. Closing large areas of ocean is lazy management. Consistent with all cars having GPS transponders reporting speed info to waiting police officers in roadside booths - handing out tickets.
Really, Warbler, You should consider joining EDF. You are on the same page with them!
I really think if this were to happen they would be pushing it so far over the line the politicians may finally step in. Remember none of these people coming up with this horse&@&$ are elected. Anybody know what’s up with MSA reauthorization. .? I know it’s through the house.
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Originally posted by natureboyAnd the commercial fishers would have had to pay for the monitoring - much like paying for a satellite cell phone with unlimited minutes.
I think what most fishermen ( comm’s and rec’s) want is fair rules. Todays laws are made often to appease enviro groups, without any factual data to back it up. Closing large areas of ocean is lazy management. Consistent with all cars having GPS transponders reporting speed info to waiting police officers in roadside booths - handing out tickets.
Really, Warbler, You should consider joining EDF. You are on the same page with them!
Keep attacking me, Natureboy, if it makes you feel better. But I think your energy would be better directed at figuring out how to change the injustice you perceive.
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
This did come up before. It took a concentrated effort, including elected officials, seafood dealers, and hundreds of responses to stop it. They will keep swinging until they hit the ball. A battle of attrition. They are hoping our response will be weaker each time. Once they get VMS on Commercial boats, next is for hire charters, then everybody. Fishermen treated like criminals awaiting trial.
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Originally posted by RedstripeI really think if this were to happen they would be pushing it so far over the line the politicians may finally step in. Remember none of these people coming up with this horse&@&$ are elected. Anybody know what’s up with MSA reauthorization. .? I know it’s through the house.
I know it came up. I watch all of this very closely. Many of the guys I know in MI that rec fish have a long pedigree of commercial fishing. All the ones I am friends with abide by the laws as best they can. I guess my point is that this bs is being pushed by non elected beuracrats, and I pray to God that our elected officials would see this for what it is and do away with it. That is probably wishful thinking, but I’m one of those type people. Also…I’m in it for the long haul…These bastards don’t understand who they are poking.
It’s so unfair that they can continue to re-table this until they get it passed. When they pass a bad law, we can’t come back later to revoke it.
Skinnie is so right. The plan is huge MPA’s, VMS, and catch shares. Enforcement can be done by one person at a computer screen, mailing out tickets. Bottom fishing will be over. They will take all the live bottom
The next round of restrictions will be trolling
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Originally posted by natureboyIt’s so unfair that they can continue to re-table this until they get it passed. When they pass a bad law, we can’t come back later to revoke it.
Skinnie is so right. The plan is huge MPA’s, VMS, and catch shares. Enforcement can be done by one person at a computer screen, mailing out tickets. Bottom fishing will be over. They will take all the live bottomThe next round of restrictions will be trolling
As long as all that is directed at the commercial folks, who cares? They should be severely restricted…as I said before, they are using PUBLIC RESOURCES to make a profit. As long as it’s not going to affect the rec folks in a major way, go for it. I think you underestimate the way that politics works…people who own big sportfishers know people…you see what I’m saying???
When I want you to have an opinion, I’ll give it to you…
You are blowing bubbles out your ass and showing your lack of knowledge.
Please - never order seafood at a restaurant again, and tell your friends in inland states to only eat catfish and imported swai .
I will take him in jan when cold as hell blowing 35 out of he he wont be so cocky.maybe have some respect for people making a living at this for a very long time that get punished over and over ye it sux for the rec guys to they could always play golf but some chose this for a living