Ok Skinnee.
Let’s say there’s nothing “in it for you.”
You’re going to fight it on that basis?
It’s coming. The only thing we can do is influence some of the who’s, how’s and where’s.
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quote:There is a reason that I put it in quotes... Basically I am asking people "what's in it for you?". Why *WOULD* you support it? As in what is the *benefit* of letting billionaires drill up our back yard? And, whatever that reason is, is it worth the sacrifice? I'm always just shocked how quick people are to jump on the "we are doing it for the jobs" bandwagon...
Originally posted by PhinOk Skinnee.
Let’s say there’s nothing “in it for you.”
You’re going to fight it on that basis?
It’s coming. The only thing we can do is influence some of the who’s, how’s and where’s.
http://www.sustainablefishing.org/
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:There is a reason that I put it in quotes... Basically I am asking people "what's in it for you?". Why *WOULD* you support it? As in what is the *benefit* of letting billionaires drill up our back yard? And, whatever that reason is, is it worth the sacrifice? I'm always just shocked how quick people are to jump on the "we are doing it for the jobs" bandwagon...
Originally posted by PhinOk Skinnee.
Let’s say there’s nothing “in it for you.”
You’re going to fight it on that basis?
It’s coming. The only thing we can do is influence some of the who’s, how’s and where’s.
http://www.sustainablefishing.org/
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
I don’t put myself in the category of supporting, really.
I put myself in the category of wanting to be kept apprised of facts and asked for my opinions as a member of the recreational fishing community.
I also put myself in a class of people who read or post here who really do not like spin or BS that sometimes can come with ideas.
Therefore, I don’t like the “jobs” bandwagon. (what we might see out of this won’t look anything like the Gulf)
And I don’t like the “the oil will be a catastrophe for all our pristine resources.” (there isn’t enough oil to justify the expense until your middle eastern friends jack the prices way up as you have contemplated, and that WON’T happen as long as we have domestic taps as an alternative to depending on them)
And I don’t like the “sonic blasts will deafen all the whales and dolphins and turtles will get killed” thing either. It hasn’t happen
I’m not saying you are… I should probably say, “Why would ONE support it?” That’s a common grammatical mistake I make, but the intent was to be inclusive of the entire audience, not just directed towards Phin.
And there are definitely a lot of people on a lot of bandwagons. The article said that 75% of the people support it and 15% oppose. Again, I don’t understand why someone would support it. My guess would be that people either think it’s going to boost the economy in the area, or that it’s going to help “lower fuel prices”. I think the whole “rid our dependency on foreign oil” is way overplayed. I think that 75% of Americans think we need to “drill here” and “rid our dependency on foreign oil”. But I also think that 75% of people don’t know what’s best for them in the long term as well… Meanwhile, China is buying up all the commodities it can get it’s hands on and burying them in the back yard. I wonder what for???
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Meanwhile, China is buying up all the commodities it can get it's hands on and burying them in the back yard. I wonder what for???
Because those folks are in it for the long haul. Their society is thousands of years old and they set goals further in advance than our nation has even existed.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
quote:Indeed. My question was rhetorical. They are not worried about today's gas prices, "deflate gate", louis vuttons, and Michael Moore's views on snipers. They know what it means to be dependent on "non renewable" resources and what happens to the person who runs out first... Instead, we are running around scratching our heads wondering how we are going to afford $3 gas in our Ford Expeditions when we have a 50 mile round trip to work, and still be "green" at home by buying $12 lightbulbs...
Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
Meanwhile, China is buying up all the commodities it can get it's hands on and burying them in the back yard. I wonder what for???
Because those folks are in it for the long haul. Their society is thousands of years old and they set goals further in advance than our nation has even existed.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:Indeed. My question was rhetorical. They are not worried about today's gas prices, "deflate gate", louis vuttons, and Michael Moore's views on snipers. They know what it means to be dependent on "non renewable" resources and what happens to the person who runs out first... Instead, we are running around scratching our heads wondering how we are going to afford $3 gas in our Ford Expeditions when we have a 50 mile round trip to work, and still be "green" at home by buying $12 lightbulbs...
Originally posted by Cracker Larryquote:
Meanwhile, China is buying up all the commodities it can get it's hands on and burying them in the back yard. I wonder what for???
Because those folks are in it for the long haul. Their society is thousands of years old and they set goals further in advance than our nation has even existed.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
You’re not saying that I am foolish for burning $400 of gas in my boat and spending 100’s of dollars on tackle to catch fish I could buy for 8.99/lb in the store, are you?
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Phin. I’m not saying you are dumber than a bag of hammers. I’m saying anyone that falls for your HUGE pile of horse sh*t is.
You, on the other hand, are a perfect disciple of big business. A “casual defender” of the polluters and killers of ecosystems all over the planet. CLEARLY Phin, you have a agenda. I’m not sure what it is but I have an idea. Your arguments are well put together and articulate, albeit wrong. You are what the Native Americans referred to as “The Forked Tongue Devil”.
Your yuk-yuk attitude on this topic is laughable by my standards, but cold and calculated in industry terms. I love the way you ask the general public to “embrace this idea” of big oil and gas with your industry lines lies and half truths. Then when exposed and challenged, you throw the old “well it’s coming anyway and there is nothing you can do about it” idea. Paralyze the public with indifference. It’s as old as the playbook itself.
“Sonic testing has NEVER killed marine life.” ??? Say wha…?
Tell you what Phin. Explain to me in 2008 how 100 Melon Whales were beached with all of their eardrums blown apart off of Madagascar? Just so happens Exxon/Mobil were using sonic cannon at the exact same time.
Funny huh?
Or how about the 900 (NINE HUNDRED) Dolphin washed ashore dead off of Peru in 2012. And I quote,
“Orca Peru scientists found that the dolphins and porpoises they examined exhibited bleeding in their middle ears as well as fractured skulls. In addition, lungs, livers, stomachs, bladders, skin, spleens and blubber all displayed gas bubbles. Those bubbles caused a mass destruction of tissues. In scientific parlance they revealed acute pulmonary emphysema, or, what scuba divers know and fear as decompression sickness, or, the bends. There was no evidence whatsoever of morbillivirus in any of the 30 necropsies.”
credit: scienceworldreport.com
PHIN!! You still there? Guess what was going on off the Peruvian coast in 2102?? DING DING! You win again. Sonic Testing!
I co
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Originally posted by baitballYou, on the other hand, are a perfect disciple of big business. A “casual defender” of the polluters and killers of ecosystems all over the planet. CLEARLY Phin, you have a agenda.
You are what the Native Americans referred to as “The Forked Tongue Devil”.
Your yuk-yuk attitude on this topic is laughable by my standards, but cold and calculated in industry terms. I love the way you ask the general public to “embrace this idea” of big oil and gas with your industry lines lies and half truths.
“Sonic testing has NEVER killed marine life.” ??? Say wha…?Tell you what Phin. Explain to me in 2008 how 100 Melon Whales were beached with all of their eardrums blown apart off of Madagascar?
Or how about the 900 (NINE HUNDRED) Dolphin washed ashore dead off of Peru in 2012. And I quote,
I could do this all day.
So Phin. Cut your sh*t. Quit lying to these good people and ask the real hard question…
Are we (the coastal residents of SC) willing to risk our livelihood and everything we hold dear for this big oil venture?
Find where damage has been done in USA waters please. I haven’t seen it, and the requirements put on the seismic ships and their activities are there exactly because of what you’ve posted. Not disputing what can happen if no or inadequate regs exist.
Explain the difference between relatively no regulation and a free-for-all in those other waters vs. our waters if you want to stand on solid ground here.
An agenda?
I didn’t have an agenda when I posted this thread, and I still don’t. I learned of what was coming, where it was in the process, who the stakeholders were, and I wanted to inform everyone and see what people thought.
Why?
Not so I could go around claiming that the
Kinda off subject with my ignorance, but what about our men and women overseas fighting for our freedom and “oil”? No one seems to care about that, but when an a few animals die there is an outcry? What about the soldiers who come back deaf? Should we shut down our military? Ban hunting because the doves not shot have hearing loss? All of our comforts of life have a high cost, but we choose which ones we can live with and complain about the others. All the while, supporting the “things” that we despise. I watch commercials every day about animal adoptions, yet we support abortion? I can go on and on like everyone else, but gotta go run the boat, so I can fill up on fresh, $1.69/gal whale deafening petroleum.
Phin, appreciate all the information and your efforts on behalf of myself and many others for the fishing industry. RFA and the many others have spoken for the recreational anglers and I thank you for fighting on our behalf. PLEASE keep sharing as we are all big enough to sort out everyone’s opinions.
quote:You are foolish if you do this and worry about how you will make ends meet when gas is at $5 a gallon, and demand that the government drill in our back yard to save you from having to give up your escalade.
Originally posted by PhinYou’re not saying that I am foolish for burning $400 of gas in my boat and spending 100’s of dollars on tackle to catch fish I could buy for 8.99/lb in the store, are you?
quote:You presented a false dilemma... Some of us don't want soldiers trying to "bring democracy to Iraq". What about us? I would rather our soldiers stay here and defend our country instead of defend Iraqis who don't want to defend their own country.
Originally posted by Got2GoKinda off subject with my ignorance, but what about our men and women overseas fighting for our freedom and “oil”? No one seems to care about that, but when an a few animals die there is an outcry? What about the soldiers who come back deaf? Should we shut down our military? Ban hunting because the doves not shot have hearing loss? All of our comforts of life have a high cost, but we choose which ones we can live with and complain about the others. All the while, supporting the “things” that we despise. I watch commercials every day about animal adoptions, yet we support abortion? I can go on and on like everyone else, but gotta go run the boat, so I can fill up on fresh, $1.69/gal whale deafening petroleum.
Phin, appreciate all the information and your efforts on behalf of myself and many others for the fishing industry. RFA and the many others have spoken for the recreational anglers and I thank you for fighting on our behalf. PLEASE keep sharing as we are all big enough to sort out everyone’s opinions.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:You are foolish if you do this and worry about how you will make ends meet when gas is at $5 a gallon, and demand that the government drill in our back yard to save you from having to give up your escalade.
Originally posted by PhinYou’re not saying that I am foolish for burning $400 of gas in my boat and spending 100’s of dollars on tackle to catch fish I could buy for 8.99/lb in the store, are you?
One could argue that it is equally foolish to base personal economic decisions on what will happen 500 years from now as someone above mentioned that the Chinese must be doing…
I don’t buy it. They’re merely taking advantage of our greed. It’s a bit simplistic to think that they’ve hatched that plan on their own. We’re responsible for our own trade deficit. We’re responsible for our own debt. China’s just been playing along and generating more wealth for themselves.
All economic forecasts are based on the basic assumption that human beings will make decisions selfishly, that is, greedily, right?
If I’m able, I will still go fishing offshore when gas costs $5.00 per gallon, btw. Doing so is just as economically irrational as spending $2.00 per gallon. I have a high willingness to pay, but none of us… nor all of us… can afford what it would take to stop the financial backing of natural gas being tapped off our coast.
We have to be realistic and ask for consideration as this develops. Fighting it outright or ignoring it outright can accomplish nothing.
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Phin, the bottom line is, if you can’t make your house payment, and can’t put food in your kid’s mouth because your “fuel bill” is too high, then you have a problem. It doesn’t matter what the fuel bill is for your boat IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT…
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Originally posted by skinneejPhin, the bottom line is, if you can’t make your house payment, and can’t put food in your kid’s mouth because your “fuel bill” is too high, then you have a problem. It doesn’t matter what the fuel bill is for your boat IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT…
See, that’s when you sell your boat and buy $5.00 gas for someone else’s boat after you make the house payment.
http://www.sustainablefishing.org/
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by Phinquote:
Originally posted by skinneejquote:You are foolish if you do this and worry about how you will make ends meet when gas is at $5 a gallon, and demand that the government drill in our back yard to save you from having to give up your escalade.
Originally posted by PhinYou’re not saying that I am foolish for burning $400 of gas in my boat and spending 100’s of dollars on tackle to catch fish I could buy for 8.99/lb in the store, are you?
One could argue that it is equally foolish to base personal economic decisions on what will happen 500 years from now as someone above mentioned that the Chinese must be doing…
I don’t buy it. They’re merely taking advantage of our greed. It’s a bit simplistic to think that they’ve hatched that plan on their own. We’re responsible for our own trade deficit. We’re responsible for our own debt. China’s just been playing along and generating more wealth for themselves.
All economic forecasts are based on the basic assumption that human beings will make decisions selfishly, that is, greedily, right?
If I’m able, I will still go fishing offshore when gas costs $5.00 per gallon, btw. Doing so is just as economically irrational as spending $2.00 per gallon. I have a high willingness to pay, but none of us… nor all of us… can afford what it would take to stop the financial backing of natural gas being tapped off our coast.
We have to be realistic and ask for consideratio
As usual, all of you have it wrong. 
We need floating rigs offshore in about 2500’-5000’. Anchor them down, crank up the generators, turn on a few lights, and let the tuna fishing begin!!! As far as I am concerned, they don’t need to drill the first hole.