Why does the conversation always stop at preventing consumption instead of trying to figure out how to increase production?
You guys keep talking about the expansion of humans on the Earth, but you want to argue about who get’s to take a slice of a finite pie… Mathematically, you either have to keep restricting people from the pie or make the pie smaller each year. When do we start talking about making more pies???
Unfortunately that is a short term solution. Matter does not increase or decrease, it only changes form. You can shift the paradigm but only for so long.
Regarding a finite amount of resources..
We are isolating huge amounts of protein and minerals from being reinvested into the global food chain...
sealed caskets and vaults.
Regarding forage fish, commercial netting of forage species is the largest commercial fishery in the world accounting for 30% (weight) of all harvest.
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I agree. Typical consumer/producer energy transfer is less than 10%. Add into that the costs associated with the capture of said protein and it is likely a net loss to eat fish.
Why does the conversation always stop at preventing consumption instead of trying to figure out how to increase production?
You guys keep talking about the expansion of humans on the Earth, but you want to argue about who get’s to take a slice of a finite pie… Mathematically, you either have to keep restricting people from the pie or make the pie smaller each year. When do we start talking about making more pies???
Maybe it’s an ignorant viewpoint on my part but I see it as we are working with a finite # of resources. I take growing production to mean make more tuna for more people to eat? They can only grow based on forage available. If you are mass-harvesting both baitfish and tuna I’m not sure how any of that works out. I feel like you may be leading the discussion towards fish farms and I really don’t have the time or energy this morning to dive into that discussion.
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I don't care what people put on their dinner table. I just want to catch more yellowfin tuna at the SkinneeWest Banks. I'm not talking about "fish farming" in the sense of pens to harvest fish for food. I'm talking about hatcheries, introducing juvenile fish into the wild to make up for what man takes away. If it's true that commercial fishing is the sole reason that we are seeing a decline in the fishery, then let's assist the production of larval fishes. We do i
Why does the conversation always stop at preventing consumption instead of trying to figure out how to increase production?
You guys keep talking about the expansion of humans on the Earth, but you want to argue about who get’s to take a slice of a finite pie… Mathematically, you either have to keep restricting people from the pie or make the pie smaller each year. When do we start talking about making more pies???
Unfortunately that is a short term solution. Matter does not increase or decrease, it only changes form. You can shift the paradigm but only for so long.
Look at farms nowadays compared to what they produce compared to 100 years ago. Why aren't we doing the same for fish? We are doing it for redfish and cobia. Why not extend to pelagics? In Alabama, they are dumping red snapper larvae into the ocean in the hundreds of thousands. Let's solve the problem with technology... How else can we scale up? An INFINTE growing human population on a FINITE resource? How do you balance that equation? You either make humans FINITE, or fish INFINITE. Simple math...
Panel?s Comments on Yellowfin Tuna
Yellowfin tuna appear to have been harvested in the vicinity of MSY in the late 1990s and the early 2000s, but
catches and effort have declined since. It is not known if the productivity of the resource has decreased,
implying that MSY would now be lower, or if the fish have become less available. The Panel considers that it
would be prudent to assume that the productivity has in fact declined until it can be demonstrated that this is
not the case. The Panel concludes that yellowfin tuna have been fished at or below MSY and that the objective
of the Commission are being met.
Given the steady decline in catches of this important stock, the Panel is surprised that stock assessments are
not conducted more frequently.
I have heard it said by several people that the YFT tuna fishing in the Gulf is better than ever.
Also, I remember there being more hurricanes and tropical storms during the years we used to cuss YFT and throw them back while dolphin and wahoo fishing here…
There used to be acres and acres of tuna busting at the GTH and even the Edisto Banks. That was 15 years ago or more.
Of course fishing affects these stocks, but some of you need to take a basic oceanography class if you think that what we see locally is indicative much at all of a global fishery. They’ll be back whenever the currents and food are right. Until then, enjoy all the blackfins.
Skinnee, just curious, what did the folks in Panama have to say about YFT numbers down there? Same as always? Better, worse?
Next time you come in, come heavy, or not at all…
They are still pretty happy with the fishery. They didn't mention anything about declines. Also, they just popped a 348lb fish last week.
Also, we were fishing on the West Coast which is a completely different stock. That being said, the purse seiners are just north of them in Costa Rica.
Recently the company call greenfin llc has reregistered it’s corp at greenfins global llc. Has an addition parter with founder Peter Mottur. They are still trying to make it work apparently.
Fish farming is the answer. They figured out how to grow flounder. I think it is more of a migration all thing, as everyone that’s been around long enough has seen tuna patterns change. I went out of OI few weeks back, and the mate who has fished there 40 years said he has seen it there. Anyone remember when the Blue fins just started showing up there…? Too much netting sucks, and is a problem, but I think there is more to this than that.
Recently the company call greenfin llc has reregistered it’s corp at greenfins global llc. Has an addition parter with founder Peter Mottur. They are still trying to make it work apparently.
It was a pretty drastic decline here. In 2006 they were abundant at GTH, the next year, just basically absent. None really since then either. I do think regulating Blackfin is a good idea. Raising the length limit for YFT to one long enough where they all spawn before being harvested is a good conservation measure for the US Atlantic Coast, regardless of what may be going on elsewhere that we have no control over.
It was a pretty drastic decline here. In 2006 they were abundant at GTH, the next year, just basically absent. None really since then either. I do think regulating Blackfin is a good idea. Raising the length limit for YFT to one long enough where they all spawn before being harvested is a good conservation measure for the US Atlantic Coast, regardless of what may be going on elsewhere that we have no control over.
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2006?? The last abundance we saw of YFT was around 2002-2003.
