nice one… and i all i thought you could catch up there were cheese steaks.
BRAINSTORM
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Originally posted by skinneejThat’s a pretty scamp… S4G, don’t forget, sellsfish also caught a 30#+ plus red snapper a couple months ago as well which also beats any diver that I have seen around here. I just pray that he doesn’t hit the big ledge to catch a 50# gag or the naysayers won’t have a foot to stand on!!! It seems kind of strange that our argument was that of experience, and one man (with experience) is catching all the big fish around here… Hmmm…
If you want to start all this up again please mention the scamps over 30lbs that have been speared by a few experienced folks when comparing an excellent bottom fisherman’s catches with whatever spearo.
Thanks,
BOTTOM FISHERMEN WHO APPRECIATE DIVE-HUNTING BUT DON’T LIKE BEING THOUGHT OF AS CHUMPS
Luke 8:22-25
Skinnee J- I don’t remember if I asked this before, but perhaps your personal experiences can answer this debate.
What is the largest scamp/gag and ARS you personally have caught(R&R) and speared. Do you think (relative to the best of the best) that you are a better fisherman or spearchucker? Answering this should be a good place to start.
I suck at diving. I got in once when the current and viz were bad. Need some tricks for my ears; they are hard to clear even in the pool.
I suck at fishing too. All I can do is get over the fish. Wait… I can’t do that either.
What can I do? I guess talk on the internet???
Luke 8:22-25
quote:Are we trying to start the debate all over again? I do consider myself a better spearchucker than a bottom fisherman since I probably have 70-80 spear trips vs 15-20 pure bottom trips on my boat, but if I had to guess I would say (Fishing/Diving - Gag 21/22, Scamp 18/15, ARS 18/27)... But if you compared my first 15 bottom trips to my first 15 dive trips, hands down bottom fishing probably won 2:1...
Originally posted by CourtlandSkinnee J- I don’t remember if I asked this before, but perhaps your personal experiences can answer this debate.
What is the largest scamp/gag and ARS you personally have caught(R&R) and speared. Do you think (relative to the best of the best) that you are a better fisherman or spearchucker? Answering this should be a good place to start.
I should also point out that the day I got a 27# red snapper that my dad got one on R&R as well exact size and dimensions…
I was actually trying to put it to bed for you. Your data suggests that R&R is easier. I believe as with anything, the more you do it, and the more time you put in the better your chances. It is entirely possible for anyone to get lucky or have a surprise catch. I believe R&R is easier(more likely to produce fish) b/c of the soak time of baits and the shortened soak time of divers. Not to mention the relative ease of “fishing” deeper water, that’s all.
Fair enough, and my argument all along has been that people should quit debating about which one is easier or harder and as you say, “as with anything, the more you do it, and the more time you put in the better your chances”… That’s exactly the point. Nothing beats experience, especially good experience! The hardest part for most people to realize though (on the flip side) is that doing the wrong thing 100 times won’t make you 100 times better (and likely only 100 times worse). It’s the RIGHT experience that makes you a better fisherman… I don’t remember who said it, but in a really rough quote, “The definition of crazy is to do exactly the same thing 100 times and somehow expect different results!” That pretty sums up my philosopy on fishing\hunting, etc.
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Originally posted by PhinI suck at diving. I got in once when the current and viz were bad. Need some tricks for my ears; they are hard to clear even in the pool.
I suck at fishing too. All I can do is get over the fish. Wait… I can’t do that either.
What can I do? I guess talk on the internet???Luke 8:22-25
Thanks Phin, the first step in treating a problem is admitting you have one.
Reputation is what people have come to think of you.
Character is the way you act when no one is around.
What a day you all had. Great job and the plate at the end is mouth watering. Great fish
REELNAUTI
2008/225CC KEYWEST
250 YAMMI
I see that once again…
Years and years of “soak time of baits and ease of fishing deeper water” is outweighed by the “right experience.” Yes. That totally explains how just a handful of spearos could have shot multiple gags and scamps larger than the state record rod and reel caught fish of each of those species…
How many folks and how much “soak time” is accounted for in the state record books I wonder…
Be careful. Either those divers have extremely huge horseshoes up their butts or they’re good. Good enough to best thousands of fishermen with chance, soak time, all the experience in the state and every bait you can think of though? It’s here that I grow tired of hearing how something is easier when folks want to kill big grouper.
Let’s start naming guys who fish and dive who have never even caught a legal gag on rod and reel but who’ve shot more than a few with a spear…
Not everyone chose to become a good spearo for the same reasons as skinnee I’m afraid. I think some just found a fast track to more meat.
Meanwhile what sellsfish and others accomplish is wrote off as something less than it really is… On a rod and reeling offshore forum no less!
Luke 8:22-25
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Originally posted by Phinquote:
Originally posted by sellsfishRob will be along shortly to make me have grouper envy again.
You mean Kent???
Luke 8:22-25
That just aint right…
“No tail like Split Tail…”
Sellsfish -
pics are unbelievable - look forward to similiar action when we get together.
Mike O
G-W 232
350 Yamaha
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Originally posted by PhinI see that once again…
Years and years of “soak time of baits and ease of fishing deeper water” is outweighed by the “right experience.” Yes. That totally explains how just a handful of spearos could have shot multiple gags and scamps larger than the state record rod and reel caught fish of each of those species…
How many folks and how much “soak time” is accounted for in the state record books I wonder…
Be careful. Either those divers have extremely huge horseshoes up their butts or they’re good. Good enough to best thousands of fishermen with chance, soak time, all the experience in the state and every bait you can think of though? It’s here that I grow tired of hearing how something is easier when folks want to kill big grouper.
Let’s start naming guys who fish and dive who have never even caught a legal gag on rod and reel but who’ve shot more than a few with a spear…
Not everyone chose to become a good spearo for the same reasons as skinnee I’m afraid. I think some just found a fast track to more meat.
Meanwhile what sellsfish and others accomplish is wrote off as something less than it really is… On a rod and reeling offshore forum no less!Luke 8:22-25
Ahh this is fun we have not had the fishing / diving debate a few weeks now.
Want to play a little game?
When was the state record scamp caught?
Reputation is what people have come to think of you.
Character is the way you act when no one is around.
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Originally posted by Split Tailquote:
Originally posted by Phinquote:
Originally posted by sellsfishRob will be along shortly to make me have grouper envy again.
You mean Kent???
Luke 8:22-25
That just aint right…
“No tail like Split Tail…”
Thought I’d attempt to give him a little extra competitive motivation in case he even cares.
Those fellas just might be …
That good.
Luke 8:22-25
S4G, the state record scamp is pretty recent.
While you’re here please tell us how many legal gags you have caught on rod and reel
And
How many you have shot with a speargun.
An approximate answer will work. I.e. None and a lot, respectively. Thanks.
Luke 8:22-25
I have been reading this and just have to comment. I like to think of myself as a pretty good fisherman and a pretty good diver. The experinced diver vrs. the experinced fisherman goes hands down to the diver. Hands down. It does not matter if the fish are biting or not, the spear does not care. I am not talking about shear size of fish. I am talking numbers. Big fish come from putting your bait or body in the right place at the right time. Some have a better skill at doing that than others, that is why again at the end of the day the dive wins.
Not to take anything away from the original poster. That is one massive scamp!
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Originally posted by PhinS4G, the state record scamp is pretty recent.
While you’re here please tell us how many legal gags you have caught on rod and reel
And
How many you have shot with a speargun.
An approximate answer will work. I.e. None and a lot, respectively. Thanks.
Luke 8:22-25
How recent? 5 minutes, 1 year, 5 years, 10 years?
How much experience did the angler have that caught it?
Here is the biggest grouper I have ever brought home. (nothing you would be to proud of) Caught him on a Okuma TG 30II with 30lb test in the middle of a school of sharks. Thought that is what I had till we saw alittle brown.
Reputation is what people have come to think of you.
Character is the way you act when no one is around.
That’s one. A good one on that tackle IMO…
You’ve bottom fished with me twice I think… You had some other opporturtunities to catch gags with even better tackle than a 30wide okuma and 50lb high viz mono haven’t you? What happened? Where are those gags?
I must have missed it; how many did you say you’ve speared again?
Luke 8:22-25
Scott,
How many 3 day courses have you taken on learning how to anchor your boat? And how many weekends have you spent in Florida with an instructor practicing anchoring your boat?