So who wants to head off about 120miles and scout it out for us? Haha
Paul Alewine
Seahunter 37 trip 300 Vrods
“Hydro-Therapy”
Augusta,Ga/Beaufort, Sc
Sells,(or anyone else in the know)
What would the eastern side of the stream from the Jetty tips be in nm’s?? Myself and others have discussed doing this as part of an overnighter. Anything over 100 miles just seems like to much work/$$$. Even if we knew the fish were there.
Congratulations Skinneej, you have moved into my world as far as Charles is concerned, a good place to be!
If it got any better I couldn’t stand it.
quote:Redstripe I think I would try it if it was a fishing mecca, but once you get out there my guess is that big blue ocean will feel bigger than ever. Better be prepared to drop down for some trip savers on the way back
Originally posted by RedstripeSells,(or anyone else in the know)
What would the eastern side of the stream from the Jetty tips be in nm’s?? Myself and others have discussed doing this as part of an overnighter. Anything over 100 miles just seems like to much work/$$$. Even if we knew the fish were there.
I’m wondering how often the lowcountry offshore anglers fish the near side of the stream??? I know a few guys that went quite a ways past 226 hole to find the real warm water and did really well. That is a haul… the closest place to find the east side is about 145 nm from Charleston harbor at around 155 degrees. South ledge looks enticing if you live in Savannah.
http://www.ripcharts.com/Map.aspx?id=470491
Yeah…But do have to go all the way…??..I hear ya about the big expanse of ocean, but I would think you would set out with some places in mind with some type of bottom feature. The fleet prolly hasnt gone that far to look for them cause we have so many of everything else. It aint worth the gas to most folks. I think also most of us keep thinking this is the year they come back. We limited out at Bubble Rock 10 years ago, and had a trip where we got 4 in 08. I love to read stuff researching stuff like this and I found an article in a commercial fishing pub that said the longliners have been doing well, off the Carolina coast, but not going as much cause they cant compete with Aisian imports…shocker. I dunno…been there , done that with the spring dolphin run. I like a good challenge. Those Florida gyhs make the run past that Canaveral bouy a bunch. If we had 4/5 boats to spread out some…who knows.
The Gulfstream and Charleston Bump have always been here. So, if you are looking for that to be the catalyst of the change, then you are looking in the wrong place. There is strong evidence to suggest that most of the dolphin that we get are not from the Florida straights, but instead are from the Abacos side of the Bahamas and cross over from the eastern side of the GS to the western side. One can only assume that the YFT follow a similar pattern (since they don’t ever catch them in the Florida straights). There is probably some condition that has been present on that side of the Abacos that has affected our tuna as well. Something (probably warm or cold eddies\patches of water, higher\lower salinities, dirty water, who knows?) used to force tuna to move ACROSS the GS, but obviously those conditions have not been there for years. Are they still moving up the eastern side? Of course. That probably never changed. What has changed is what made them cross the GS to come into our waters, that is not there any more? Why do they get them in NC? It’s likely because the gulfstream is MUCH narrower there, and the conditions for tuna to CROSS the gulfstream are likely better as well as they don’t have as far to cross.
Again, you guys are talking about “finding” tuna. That wasn’t the norm 20 years ago. Yellowfins FOUND YOU 20 years ago! It’s not that people suddenly forgot how to fish for them, or that the entire population of YFT’s suddenly got smarter and now only hit Fernando’s tuna feathers. The fact remains that they aren’t there in the numbers in our local waters like they used to. Can you still find them out there? Sure you can. Can you run to the eastern side of the stream and find them? Likely. But again, that wasn’t the “norm” that people were used to 20 years ago. Let’s hope that whatever condition changed, that things eventually swing back into our favor.
Again, my money is on environmental conditions on the Abacos side of the Bahamas just north of Grand Bahama. The gulfstream is a con
Given the number of dolphin tagged by Don Hammond I would think they know exactly where they come from.
My thoughts are the climate change has less to do with it than some believe, and lean more towards them having natural cycles from 10 to 15 years having more influence. Based on the facts, they have come and gone before… It is the “Event” that causes this to happen that interest me. With that being said… I am ready to fish! I will have my boat back by next weekend or so
In 2001, we were anchored on South West Banks, Grouper fishing, and had about 5 acres of YFT’s come bursting out of the water all around us. To this day it was one of the coolest things I have ever seen. Skinnee is right about the Northern Gannet or “Tuna Bird” as we call them…find the bait and birds…find the fish
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Oyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by sellsfishIn 2001, we were anchored on South West Banks, Grouper fishing, and had about 5 acres of YFT’s come bursting out of the water all around us. To this day it was one of the coolest things I have ever seen. Skinnee is right about the Northern Gannet or “Tuna Bird” as we call them…find the bait and birds…find the fish
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Oyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
Well Dammit man, don’t hold us in suspense! Did you catch any??!?!
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don’t tell them where they know the fish.
- More Maxims of Mark, Johnson, 1927
31’ Contender
“Touche”
250 HPDIs
Not a one, as we were dropping on Grouper… A few days later we took three Bigeye while trolling blue and white Zuker feathers off SWB
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Oyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
We saw schools 5/6 years ago. They wouldn’t touch anything we trolled past them. Ithink thats why some people think that possibly tactics need to change.
quote:Exactly, and as said on here previously, some "old timers" have historical accounts where tuna would disappear for a decade or so and come back.
Originally posted by LandSickMy thoughts are the climate change has less to do with it than some believe, and lean more towards them having natural cycles from 10 to 15 years having more influence. Based on the facts, they have come and gone before… It is the “Event” that causes this to happen that interest me. With that being said… I am ready to fish! I will have my boat back by next weekend or so
In the grand scheme of things, pelagics like tuna are pretty simple. They follow bait. Bait is affected by even the smallest of changes (temperature, salinity, altimetry, chlorophyll content, etc)
quote:Again, you saw one school in 5/6 years. Tuna are known to be finicky. Even 20 years ago, people would have to change tactics to catch them on any given day. The difference is, 20 years ago, people saw 5-6 schools a day, not 1 school every 5-6 years. You could literally light up your open array radar, find some birds and haul ass over to them. They did this pretty much every day of the week in April\May. Not once a week, not once a year. EVERY DAY!!! It was nothing for some of the charter boats to pick up 8 man limits of YFT several times in a week.
Originally posted by RedstripeWe saw schools 5/6 years ago. They wouldn’t touch anything we trolled past them. Ithink thats why some people think that possibly tactics need to change.
quote:The guys up in NC are still catching them using the same techniques... Again, let's talk about how many are "seen" now than were before. It's hard to deny that has changed.
Originally posted by RedstripeWe saw schools 5/6 years ago. They wouldn’t touch anything we trolled past them. Ithink thats why some people think that possibly tactics need to change.
Actually that year we saw multiple schools, on multiple trips. Anyone remember the saltwater sportsman article about kite fishing for tuna in Charleston. .?. All im saying is the last years the big schools were spotted they were (**() near immposible to catch trolling. It’s been at least 5 years since we saw those schools, and I think 6/7 when we had a good haul. My wife and a friend were in the fishing babes section of SS with 4 in the 30/40 lb range.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:Exactly, and as said on here previously, some "old timers" have historical accounts where tuna would disappear for a decade or so and come back.
Originally posted by LandSickMy thoughts are the climate change has less to do with it than some believe, and lean more towards them having natural cycles from 10 to 15 years having more influence. Based on the facts, they have come and gone before… It is the “Event” that causes this to happen that interest me. With that being said… I am ready to fish! I will have my boat back by next weekend or so
In the grand scheme of things, pelagics like tuna are pretty simple. They follow bait. Bait is affected by even the smallest of changes (temperature, salinity, altimetry, chlorophyll content, etc)
What do you think causes this change?
“Those who have the ability to make a difference have the responsibility to do so.” Thomas Jefferson
quote:I know you want to pin everything to global warming, but it's not. You will never learn anything if you try to put every explanation in the same box. Weather changes all the time. There are many cycles in nature... Some last months, some last decades, some last centuries. I get it though... Global warming is the only thing you think you understand so you don't know any better. When you give some people a hammer, then everything looks like a nail to them. Anyway, you would be wrong to assume this. As mentioned before, old timers have reported decade long migration changes before. It's nothing new. Heck, a drought in the Nile some 4200 years ago pretty much wiped out Ancient Egypt. Did motor oil, styrofoam, and Cleopatra's hairspray cause that too? Those droughts were multi-decade...
Originally posted by on a fishin missionWhat do you think causes this change?
Do I know the exact cause that made the tuna’s migration to change? No. Do I really care? No. But I do understand that it’s cyclical and they will be back one day. We are already seeing things swing a bit. What happened to the hot sailfish bite in the fall that was around for almost a decade? Let me guess, they don’t like balleyhoo and dredges any more??? Right? Maybe you guys should troll hot doqs behind a lehi squitch to get some action.
In case you get bored, here is another chart that shows multi-decade “oscillations” in both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/16/how-long-will-the-naturally-caused-drought-persist-in-the-u-s/
Could be something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_oscillation
Check out all of the effects it has from how we experience winter, summer, precipitation, barometric pressure, the jetstream, you name it… And as you can see, it’s cyclical over many decades…