I like to ratchet strap mine to the front bumper. Gives me a rush.
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Originally posted by EdistodanielI like to ratchet strap mine to the front bumper. Gives me a rush.
mount it to your rear bumper and its amazing how people wont ride your ass any more
Pitviper0404, the National Fire Protection Association puts out “pamphlets” covering various areas of fire safety. Google NFPA 58. You can order the 2017 edition, or download older “pamphlet 58” versions as a PDF. My 58 is the 1992 edition. Chapter 6 covers “Vehicular Transportation of LP-Gas”. My reading of my 1992 edition, in section 6-2.2.7 tells me you cannot legally transport a 100# cylinder laying down. See the sentence in that section reading as follows: “Containers having an individual water capacity exceeding 108 lb (49 kg) [nominal 45lb (20 kg) LP-Gas] capacity transported in open vehicles and containers having an individual water capacity exceeding 10 lb (45 kg) [nominal 4.2 lb (2kg) LP-Gas] capacity transported in enclosed spaces shall be transported with the relief device in direct communication with the vapor space.”.
In plain English, propane tanks over 45 pounds propane capacity must be (very) securely fastened in an upright position to be transported over public roads legally in an “open vehicle”. This would include a 100# propane cylinder. You also have to provide protection for the valve.
I do not have access to NFPA 58 editions newer than 1992. We sold our propane company in 2006, and I have not kept up with regs since then. Regulations may have changed since then, and I can’t answer your question for sure without studying the newest regs. If you can get the 2017 edition of “NFPA 58, Standard for the Storage and Handling of Liquefied Petroleum Gases”, this should provide the answer to your question.
There may be DOT regs that supersede pamphlet 58. Call the South Carolina Trucking Association. They used to be a valuable resource to me in training the employees of our propane business. They keep up with all regs concerning trucking, and should be willing to answer your question. I hope this helps.
spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
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Originally posted by specPitviper0404, the National Fire Protection Association puts out “pamphlets” covering various areas of fire safety. Google NFPA 58. You can order the 2017 edition, or download older “pamphlet 58” versions as a PDF. My 58 is the 1992 edition. Chapter 6 covers “Vehicular Transportation of LP-Gas”. My reading of my 1992 edition, in section 6-2.2.7 tells me you cannot legally transport a 100# cylinder laying down. See the sentence in that section reading as follows: “Containers having an individual water capacity exceeding 108 lb (49 kg) [nominal 45lb (20 kg) LP-Gas] capacity transported in open vehicles and containers having an individual water capacity exceeding 10 lb (45 kg) [nominal 4.2 lb (2kg) LP-Gas] capacity transported in enclosed spaces shall be transported with the relief device in direct communication with the vapor space.”.
In plain English, propane tanks over 45 pounds propane capacity must be (very) securely fastened in an upright position to be transported over public roads legally in an “open vehicle”. This would include a 100# propane cylinder. You also have to provide protection for the valve.
I do not have access to NFPA 58 editions newer than 1992. We sold our propane company in 2006, and I have not kept up with regs since then. Regulations may have changed since then, and I can’t answer your question for sure without studying the newest regs. If you can get the 2017 edition of “NFPA 58, Standard for the Storage and Handling of Liquefied Petroleum Gases”, this should provide the answer to your question.
There may be DOT regs that supersede pamphlet 58. Call the South Carolina Trucking Association. They used to be a valuable resource to me in training the employees of our propane business. They keep up with all regs concerning trucking, and should be willing to answer your question. I hope this helps.
spec
1980 Skandia 21
Heck, I carry 20 pounder’s in the back seat of my PU! I do crack the windows, to let the gas smell out:wink:
Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Admin., DOT § 177.840
(1) Cylinders. Cylinders containing
Class 2 gases must be securely restrained
in an upright or horizontal position,
loaded in racks, or packed in
boxes or crates to prevent the cylinders
from being shifted, overturned or ejected
from the motor vehicle under normal
transportation conditions. However,
after December 31, 2003, a pressure
relief device, when installed, must
be in communication with the vapor
space of a cylinder containing a Division
2.1 (flammable gas) material.
spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
quote:
Originally posted by specPipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Admin., DOT § 177.840
(1) Cylinders. Cylinders containing
Class 2 gases must be securely restrained
in an upright or horizontal position,
loaded in racks, or packed in
boxes or crates to prevent the cylinders
from being shifted, overturned or ejected
from the motor vehicle under normal
transportation conditions. However,
after December 31, 2003, a pressure
relief device, when installed, must
be in communication with the vapor
space of a cylinder containing a Division
2.1 (flammable gas) material.spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
PHMSA and DOT are two different animals. I just got out of a week’s worth of schooling on both of them.
In this case, DOT is the authority.
But the bad part is the disparity between the regs. Stupid. But for the original point, a clerk at Tractor Supply is NOT going to tell me how to transport something I legally bought from them.
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
Grew up riding in the back of pick-up all over Charleston and My Pleasant…
You guys spending all this time pissing and moaning over a propane tank are funny as hell…
Lay the (**() tank down and take it home like a man…What a bunch of @/&&!/$.
Better yet,send the wife to pick it up next time it needs a refill…
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Originally posted by capehorn 16Grew up riding in the back of pick-up all over Charleston and My Pleasant…
You guys spending all this time pissing and moaning over a propane tank are funny as hell…
Lay the (**() tank down and take it home like a man…What a bunch of @/&&!/$.Better yet,send the wife to pick it up next time it needs a refill…
Easy there big fella. It’s not “pissing and moaning,” it’s healthy intelligent discussion, something that rarely happens on the internet, much less this board. And to some of us it matters.
But you’re right on the wife part, bet they wouldn’t mess with her about it.
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat
I agree with leadenwahboy, we are just trying to answer the original posters request for the laws that affect safely hauling propane.
Ask any firefighter about a BLEVE, a very impressive explosion involving flying shrapnel, which can occur when a propane tank is involved in a fire. That is much more likely when a 100# tank that is involved in a wreck and resuling vehicle fire is laying down.
I just happen to know a good bit about propane safety, having spent most of my life in the propane business. Leadenwahboy has just been through training that involved this subject. We’re trying to prevent “P&M”, not create it!
spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
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Originally posted by specI agree with leadenwahboy, we are just trying to answer the original posters request for the laws that affect safely hauling propane.
Ask any firefighter about a BLEVE, a very impressive explosion involving flying shrapnel, which can occur when a propane tank is involved in a fire. That is much more likely when a 100# tank that is involved in a wreck and resuling vehicle fire is laying down.
I just happen to know a good bit about propane safety, having spent most of my life in the propane business. Leadenwahboy has just been through training that involved this subject. We’re trying to prevent “P&M”, not create it!
spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
You ever meet Hank Hill? 
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
I’ve seen very little of that show, but if I met a real world hard working, honest, conservative, blue collar type guy like his character, I’d probably get along fine with him.
spec
1980 Skandia 21 w/ '93 JohnRude 150 gas drinker
THANK YOU FRED!
been waiting for someone to bring up the true Propane & Propane accessories expert
I trained Hank Hill.
Good post
Heard a Maryland DOT officer speak at a conference & quoted regulations on transporting gasoline in portable containment, which many are not aware of, including myself. If you transport over 8 gallons, vehicle must display appropriate placards. I haul two 5 gals. containers to my boat daily & suspect many on here do the same something similar.
“Containers over 8 gallons must be performance oriented packaging (DOT). “Flammable Liquid” and “1203” gasoline labels”
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Originally posted by Bayrider7365Good post
Heard a Maryland DOT officer speak at a conference & quoted regulations on transporting gasoline in portable containment, which many are not aware of, including myself. If you transport over 8 gallons, vehicle must display appropriate placards. I haul two 5 gals. containers to my boat daily & suspect many on here do the same something similar.
“Containers over 8 gallons must be performance oriented packaging (DOT). “Flammable Liquid” and “1203” gasoline labels”
Like I said before, this is a world that you don’t want to get into unless you are trained for it. Taking internet advice on anything is just silly…But you’re right, and is the reason you won’t find a 9 gallon gas can in the store…
There are lots of exceptions and special provisions and such for Materials of Trade (MOT’s) and some for those materials transported when “not in commerce” that exempt you/me/us from lots of stuff.
Bottom line, if you’re involved in quantities of HAZMAT, please go get trained. The list of violations and their associated fines is a long one, and has lots of fun little fines for cases like this. 49 CFR Part 107, Subpart D, Appendix A
“Marking a package as containing a hazardous material when it contains no hazardous material - $1000”
“Improperly placarding a container or vehicle that containing Packing group II hazmat - $1000-9000”
Wadmalaw native
16’ Bentz-Craft Flats Boat