I’m not discrediting the dnr. I’m discrediting y’alls opinions on arm chair fishers. I’m accrediting other sources y’all have discredited. The dnr can only do a litte to manage our waters, it will take collective efforts of everyone to have any form of impact on our waters. The dnr does not know everything and there are plenty of other professionals on the water besides the dnr. They find out the same things we do, in the same place, at similar times or after a fisher or someone has reported it. Time on the water is crucial to having a thorough understanding of a area. I know areas I go far better than most as do many others who put a lot of time in. Ive known dnr employees and a lot of people who earn there living on the water over the years. You don’t know who knows what or who people are. Some people like to self educate and are very informed. Some even partake in many programs that are affiliated with the dnr and other organizations like the dnr. Do you even partake in any programs? I’ve planted oyster, done clean ups, tagging programs, reported catches, and donated time and money, carcasses to be studied. I know much more than you think. Your always stating your opinion like its fact and the only fact is its just YOUR OPINION like mine is mine. As active as you are on this topic I hope your doing something to make an actual contribution.
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Originally posted by 40inchredsI’m not discrediting the dnr. I’m discrediting y’alls opinions on arm chair fishers. I’m accrediting other sources y’all have discredited. The dnr can only do a litte to manage our waters, it will take collective efforts of everyone to have any form of impact on our waters. The dnr does not know everything and there are plenty of other professionals on the water besides the dnr. They find out the same things we do, in the same place, at similar times or after a fisher or someone has reported it. Time on the water is crucial to having a thorough understanding of a area. I know areas I go far better than most as do many others who put a lot of time in. Ive known dnr employees and a lot of people who earn there living on the water over the years. You don’t know who knows what or who people are. Some people like to self educate and are very informed. Some even partake in many programs that are affiliated with the dnr and other organizations like the dnr. Do you even partake in any programs? I’ve planted oyster, done clean ups, tagging programs, reported catches, and donated time and money, carcasses to be studied. I know much more than you think. Your always stating your opinion like its fact and the only fact is its just YOUR OPINION like mine is mine. As active as you are on this topic I hope your doing something to make an actual contribution.
Dang it 40. Don’t know you or RAD, but what i’ve read that he has posted over time, he seems like someone that is in the know.
You been sampling all the Bourbon Snobs recommendations??
Sheesh, NN
My reply was to bangstick. Rad posted while I was posting. Have you been hitting the bourbon. Read what bangstick post.
The “reply with quote” was implemented for a reason.
No, not a fan of Bourbon.
You just come across as being soooo arrogant, and a know it all.
Carry on. After all, its winter and folks are bored…
NN
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Originally posted by RADDADDYOf course DNR has the protection of the resource first and foremost on their minds, and of course there are no hidden agendas from them, BUT, they are incredibly slow in identifying problems that exist with a particular species. They are 6 years behind on this issue. A somewhat similar situation happened with the striper population in Santee and it’s tributaries. An emergency closure could have been enacted, but DNR was unaware of the magnitude of the population decline. A private entity was established to have a voice, and new legislation was enacted that still stands now that includes moratoriums during the summer months.
Got to agree with you.
Personally, I have zero faith in DNR biologists for the reasons you state…they’re slow, not reactive, and they fail to see trends.
The Santee striper deal is just a small part of it. SCDNR biologists stood quietly by back in the 90’s while Santee Cooper Power underwent the largest stocking of grass carp ever done, in conjunction with the dumping of slow release poison into the lakes to kill hydrilla. End result, the entire fishery went into the dumper for all species.
Fast forward several years, private individuals worked to lobby to increase the minimum size limit, and worked to reintroduce native grasses back into the system. The entire fishery started rebounding. Of course, Santee Cooper power had to kill vegetation again…if you look on google maps from a couple of years ago you can see large eelgrass beds…now those same areas are a desert. They’ve killed it off again.
And all without a peep from SCDNR biologists.
The stripers are recovering, but give it a couple of years without vegetation to act as a nursery and sanctuary for young fish…the striper fishery will decline again…along with other specie
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Originally posted by 40inchredsI’m not discrediting the dnr. I’m discrediting y’alls opinions on arm chair fishers. I’m accrediting other sources y’all have discredited. The dnr can only do a litte to manage our waters, it will take collective efforts of everyone to have any form of impact on our waters. The dnr does not know everything and there are plenty of other professionals on the water besides the dnr. They find out the same things we do, in the same place, at similar times or after a fisher or someone has reported it. Time on the water is crucial to having a thorough understanding of a area. I know areas I go far better than most as do many others who put a lot of time in. Ive known dnr employees and a lot of people who earn there living on the water over the years. You don’t know who knows what or who people are. Some people like to self educate and are very informed. Some even partake in many programs that are affiliated with the dnr and other organizations like the dnr. Do you even partake in any programs? I’ve planted oyster, done clean ups, tagging programs, reported catches, and donated time and money, carcasses to be studied. I know much more than you think. Your always stating your opinion like its fact and the only fact is its just YOUR OPINION like mine is mine. As active as you are on this topic I hope your doing something to make an actual contribution.
40, Evidently you chose to ignore where I said, in two separate posts, the DNR uses other resources like charter captains to gather data/intel. Also, Please show me where I discredited any one particular entity aside from arm chair biologists. Then again, you’re one of those many people on here that go out of your way to criticize anything and everything about the DNR anyway so I’m not surprised. Maybe you’re just
RD and Pitcher, If you’re tried of waiting for the DNR to do things, maybe you should encourage your elected officials to get out of the way and allow them to do their job. That said, the DNR does not (and should not) make management decisions based on knee jerk reactions or partial snap shots of a bigger picture. Ever heard of measure twice and cut once? But again, since the DNR has to go through the General Assembly, there’s no way they can act expeditiously and that is no fault of their own. I get it though. The DNR is a more readily accessible entity than the General Assembly and therefore they draw the finger of blame. The DNR realizes that too and yet they pull on their “green jeans” everyday and set out to do their jobs regardless of public perception. Hmmm…I guess to them, the job is more important than people’s opinions of them. Interesting concept.
“…be a man and PM me.”
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Originally posted by bangstickRD and Pitcher, If you’re tried of waiting for the DNR to do things, maybe you should encourage your elected officials to get out of the way and allow them to do their job. That said, the DNR does not (and should not) make management decisions based on knee jerk reactions or partial snap shots of a bigger picture. Ever heard of measure twice and cut once? But again, since the DNR has to go through the General Assembly, there’s no way they can act expeditiously and that is no fault of their own. I get it though. The DNR is a more readily accessible entity than the General Assembly and therefore they draw the finger of blame. The DNR realizes that too and yet they pull on their “green jeans” everyday and set out to do their jobs regardless of public perception. Hmmm…I guess to them, the job is more important than people’s opinions of them. Interesting concept.
“…be a man and PM me.”
>6 years to cut once. Very efficient. Got it.
Well, you “got it” as much as you want to.
“…be a man and PM me.”
Bang as much as your on here projecting your opinion that anyone who has feelings that don’t align with yours or the dnr is a conspiracy theorist or a arm chair biologist or that there mouth breathers having a knee jerk reaction and try to make it seem like they have something against the dnr, just makes you seem dumb. You make stupid statements because your to high on yourself to see things others see. Trying to belittle people makes you seem very educated… Smart people and professionals don’t do that type of stuff kids and assses do. You got like 30 post on this topic preaching your opinion like your something. You say I criticize the dnr on everything and that I’m projecting frustrations from work just make you seem dumb. My life has nothing to do with how I feel about the dnrs management of our resources and me thinking the dnr can improve upon the way they manage our resources does not mean I have something against the dnr. The fact that you try to paint it like that or even try to draw dumb conclusions like that makes you come off as petty, undereducated on the topic and like some sort of blind dnr kiss ace.
- You don’t work for the dnr.
- Your not a biologist.
- You say you live upstate and don’t come down to fish the coast often.
You seem like someone who is very qualified to speak on this subject…
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Originally posted by 40inchredsBang as much as your on here projecting your opinion that anyone who has feelings that don’t align with yours or the dnr is a conspiracy theorist or a arm chair biologist or that there mouth breathers having a knee jerk reaction and try to make it seem like they have something against the dnr, just makes you seem dumb. You make stupid statements because your to high on yourself to see things others see. Trying to belittle people makes you seem very educated… Smart people and professionals don’t do that type of stuff kids and assses do. You got like 30 post on this topic preaching your opinion like your something. You say I criticize the dnr on everything and that I’m projecting frustrations from work just make you seem dumb. My life has nothing to do with how I feel about the dnrs management of our resources and me thinking the dnr can improve upon the way they manage our resources does not mean I have something against the dnr. The fact that you try to paint it like that or even try to draw dumb conclusions like that makes you come off as petty, undereducated on the topic and like some sort of blind dnr kiss ace.
- You don’t work for the dnr.
- Your not a biologist.
- You say you live upstate and don’t come down to fish the coast often.
You seem like someone who is very qualified to speak on this subject…
That might be your best post ever.
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Originally posted by yellabirdBag Limit goes from 3 to 2 with a boat limit of 6.
Slot Changes from 15-23 to 18-26
Gigging is banned for REDS ONLY.
I just tried to read through the whole 10 pages to see if any concrete decisions have been made or if any concrete solutions have been offered.
I think the slot change and bag limit is a good change. Keeping a 15 inch fish feeds 1 person. An 18" fish can feed at least 2 people. With a bigger slot, people won’t need to keep as many fish.
Another solution is restocking. This is a problem because the State can’t afford to run a stocking program…or won’t budget for one. But how hard could it be for someone with deep pockets to set up a non-profit to do this? Set up some above ground pools in a warehouse, set up temperature controls, some automatic feeders and let them grow like tilapia until big enough to release.
With a State restocking program, the State would need to do all kinds of research and study on the fry, write data reports, die offs, grow rate studies…a guy with some means could raise thousands of fish for a modest cost.
Anyway…that’s the way I see solutions.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dad
Equipment:
2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
1- 23 boy that won’t move out)
1 - 19 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
If it were only that easy!
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Originally posted by boatpoorIf it were only that easy!
Elon Musk sent his car into space.
We have some millionaires around town…they have the coin to do this.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dad
Equipment:
2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
1- 23 boy that won’t move out)
1 - 19 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)
ECFC
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Originally posted by claimquote:
Originally posted by yellabirdBag Limit goes from 3 to 2 with a boat limit of 6.
Slot Changes from 15-23 to 18-26
Gigging is banned for REDS ONLY.
I just tried to read through the whole 10 pages to see if any concrete decisions have been made or if any concrete solutions have been offered.
I think the slot change and bag limit is a good change. Keeping a 15 inch fish feeds 1 person. An 18" fish can feed at least 2 people. With a bigger slot, people won’t need to keep as many fish.
Another solution is restocking. This is a problem because the State can’t afford to run a stocking program…or won’t budget for one. But how hard could it be for someone with deep pockets to set up a non-profit to do this? Set up some above ground pools in a warehouse, set up temperature controls, some automatic feeders and let them grow like tilapia until big enough to release.
With a State restocking program, the State would need to do all kinds of research and study on the fry, write data reports, die offs, grow rate studies…a guy with some means could raise thousands of fish for a modest cost.
Anyway…that’s the way I see solutions.
“I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the general public.”
~my dadEquipment:
2007 Grady White 222 Fisherman / 250 Yamaha
Simrad NSS evo2 and G4
1- 23 boy that won’t move out)
1 - 19 year old (fishing maniac)
1 - wife (The Warden)ECFC
I agree with you on 18-26 size limits ho
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Originally posted by 40inchredsBang as much as your on here projecting your opinion that anyone who has feelings that don’t align with yours or the dnr is a conspiracy theorist or a arm chair biologist or that there mouth breathers having a knee jerk reaction and try to make it seem like they have something against the dnr, just makes you seem dumb. You make stupid statements because your to high on yourself to see things others see. Trying to belittle people makes you seem very educated… Smart people and professionals don’t do that type of stuff kids and assses do. You got like 30 post on this topic preaching your opinion like your something. You say I criticize the dnr on everything and that I’m projecting frustrations from work just make you seem dumb. My life has nothing to do with how I feel about the dnrs management of our resources and me thinking the dnr can improve upon the way they manage our resources does not mean I have something against the dnr. The fact that you try to paint it like that or even try to draw dumb conclusions like that makes you come off as petty, undereducated on the topic and like some sort of blind dnr kiss ace.
- You don’t work for the dnr.
- Your not a biologist.
- You say you live upstate and don’t come down to fish the coast often.
You seem like someone who is very qualified to speak on this subject…
“Projecting” my opinion? Last I checked, this is a public forum and full of projected opinions. Hell, this thread alone is full of projected opinions. Granted, if my opinion was more in-line with yours, you wouldn’t have a problem with me “projecting” my opinion then, I’m sure.
Who exactly have I belittled? I mean, aside from you resorting to personal insults towards me when intelligent conversation eludes you, who exactly have I belittled?
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Originally posted by 7csquote:
Originally posted by 40inchredsBang as much as your on here projecting your opinion that anyone who has feelings that don’t align with yours or the dnr is a conspiracy theorist or a arm chair biologist or that there mouth breathers having a knee jerk reaction and try to make it seem like they have something against the dnr, just makes you seem dumb. You make stupid statements because your to high on yourself to see things others see. Trying to belittle people makes you seem very educated… Smart people and professionals don’t do that type of stuff kids and assses do. You got like 30 post on this topic preaching your opinion like your something. You say I criticize the dnr on everything and that I’m projecting frustrations from work just make you seem dumb. My life has nothing to do with how I feel about the dnrs management of our resources and me thinking the dnr can improve upon the way they manage our resources does not mean I have something against the dnr. The fact that you try to paint it like that or even try to draw dumb conclusions like that makes you come off as petty, undereducated on the topic and like some sort of blind dnr kiss ace.
- You don’t work for the dnr.
- Your not a biologist.
- You say you live upstate and don’t come down to fish the coast often.
You seem like someone who is very qualified to speak on this subject…
That might be your best post ever.
You obviously missed the white braid thread.
“…be a man and PM me.”
Problems:
- GPS. - marking areas… too easy to return to the spot, tell a friend,
Or post on Facebook. “ their right here” - Guides ALLOWING clients to keep extra fish that count as “ his”. 3 clients, 1 captain, 12 fish kept … I know this is done, saw it a year ago with a buddy at work showing “ hero” pictures
- Pollution and loss of oyster habitat/ fish habitat
- Uncontrolled construction
- Cormorants
- J hooks. Don’t believe it, swallow a hook and then pull it out. See how far that gets you.
- Improper culling. Lack of using live wells
Quick fixes: - Open season on cormorants for a year or two. Honestly give me a reason to keep a bird that eats on average a pound of fish a day protected?
- Circle hooks on ALL BAIT
- Double saltwater fees and get the DNR some more help.
Last
2015 201 Bay Scout
150 Yamaha
Bang your so full of yourself. I’m glad you informed me you think your conversation is intelligent… I don’t get the sense that your implying anything toward anyone with that statement… You’ve made multiple general statements with the base being that the people who disagree with you and the dnr opinion are mouth breathers, full of conspiracies and other nonsense. Your just trying to insult people indirectly. You’ve made many of insults and more toward me on other threads. You can denie it and try to manipulate things to how you want to see them. I’m glad you’ve cleaned your act up some to try to present yourself better. 2 to 3 times a month is not much time on the water and yes Lexington is upstate compared to charleston.
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Originally posted by bangstickRD and Pitcher, If you’re tried of waiting for the DNR to do things, maybe you should encourage your elected officials to get out of the way and allow them to do their job. That said, the DNR does not (and should not) make management decisions based on knee jerk reactions or partial snap shots of a bigger picture. Ever heard of measure twice and cut once? But again, since the DNR has to go through the General Assembly, there’s no way they can act expeditiously and that is no fault of their own. I get it though. The DNR is a more readily accessible entity than the General Assembly and therefore they draw the finger of blame. The DNR realizes that too and yet they pull on their “green jeans” everyday and set out to do their jobs regardless of public perception. Hmmm…I guess to them, the job is more important than people’s opinions of them. Interesting concept.
“…be a man and PM me.”
I’ll just stick with the Santee example of how slack DNR biologists are.
Every reservoir that’s had a major grass carp stocking to control aquatic vegetation has had a corresponding decrease in the entire fishery. Lake Conroe in Texas is a perfect example, the carp cleaned out every blade of grass…then were eating leaves off of willow branches they could reach.
So what did DNR biologists say when Santee Cooper Power not only engaged in the largest stocking of grass carp in history, but also dumped extended release poison into the lakes?
Nothing. And what happened? The entire fishery dropped off.
Private citizens worked on restocking bass fingerlings into the lake. Private citizens lobbied for tighter limits and a larger minimum keeper size. Private citizens helped stock eelgrass back into the lakes. The fishery started bouncing back.
And what happened? SC Power