The creel survey system being used has already proven to me to be severely flawed. The report by SCDNR biologists given in 2013 showed an INCREASE in redfish numbers which was taken at the time of the sharpest decline. I don’t fully understand their methods, but their data was definitely off.
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Originally posted by Flat Fly nProblems:
- GPS. - marking areas… too easy to return to the spot, tell a friend,
Or post on Facebook. “ their right here”- Guides ALLOWING clients to keep extra fish that count as “ his”. 3 clients, 1 captain, 12 fish kept … I know this is done, saw it a year ago with a buddy at work showing “ hero” pictures
- Pollution and loss of oyster habitat/ fish habitat
- Uncontrolled construction
- Cormorants
6. J hooks. Don’t believe it, swallow a hook and then pull it out. See how far that gets you.</font id=“red”>- Improper culling. Lack of using live wells
Quick fixes:- Open season on cormorants for a year or two. Honestly give me a reason to keep a bird that eats on average a pound of fish a day protected?
2. Circle hooks on ALL BAIT </font id=“red”>- Double saltwater fees and get the DNR some more help.
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on the end of a cork I can semi see this. On the bottom a circle will get gut hooked just as bad a J hook. Specially those fishing several lines and not paying 100% attention to them.
Swallow a circle hook attached to line and see if it comes out. Yes, they help prevent deep hooking, but once swallowed, there is no return.
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Originally posted by 40inchredsBang your so full of yourself. I’m glad you informed me you think your conversation is intelligent… I don’t get the sense that your implying anything toward anyone with that statement… You’ve made multiple general statements with the base being that the people who disagree with you and the dnr opinion are mouth breathers, full of conspiracies and other nonsense. Your just trying to insult people indirectly. You’ve made many of insults and more toward me on other threads. You can denie it and try to manipulate things to how you want to see them. I’m glad you’ve cleaned your act up some to try to present yourself better. 2 to 3 times a month is not much time on the water and yes Lexington is upstate compared to charleston.
Nice deflection. When does your membership for the DNC come in? You can try to spin my words all you want but fact of the matter is they’re there for anyone and everyone to read and there are no hidden messages or subliminal meanings. Make of them what you will, or at least in a manner that makes you feel better about yourself. Like I said, it’s your story and you can tell it however you want.
I guess if Lexington “is upstate compared to Charleston,” you’ve just called everyone in Charleston area a Yankee when compared to Savannah and a Canuck when compared to Miami. Now if you’ll exuse me, I need to notify the governor they need to reclassify Summerville from the low country to the midlands (since it’s above Charleston) and Lexington from the midlands to the upstate. We wouldn’t want anyone getting lost, now would we.
“…be a man and PM me.”
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Originally posted by pitcherquote:
Originally posted by bangstickRD and Pitcher, If you’re tried of waiting for the DNR to do things, maybe you should encourage your elected officials to get out of the way and allow them to do their job. That said, the DNR does not (and should not) make management decisions based on knee jerk reactions or partial snap shots of a bigger picture. Ever heard of measure twice and cut once? But again, since the DNR has to go through the General Assembly, there’s no way they can act expeditiously and that is no fault of their own. I get it though. The DNR is a more readily accessible entity than the General Assembly and therefore they draw the finger of blame. The DNR realizes that too and yet they pull on their “green jeans” everyday and set out to do their jobs regardless of public perception. Hmmm…I guess to them, the job is more important than people’s opinions of them. Interesting concept.
“…be a man and PM me.”
I’ll just stick with the Santee example of how slack DNR biologists are.
Every reservoir that’s had a major grass carp stocking to control aquatic vegetation has had a corresponding decrease in the entire fishery. Lake Conroe in Texas is a perfect example, the carp cleaned out every blade of grass…then were eating leaves off of willow branches they could reach.
So what did DNR biologists say when Santee Cooper Power not only engaged in the largest stocking of grass carp in history, but also dumped extended release poison into the lakes?
Nothing. And what happened? The entire fishery dropped off.
Private citizens worked on restocking bass fingerlings into the lake. Private citizens lobbied for tighter li
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Originally posted by pitcherquote:
Originally posted by bangstickRD and Pitcher, If you’re tried of waiting for the DNR to do things, maybe you should encourage your elected officials to get out of the way and allow them to do their job. That said, the DNR does not (and should not) make management decisions based on knee jerk reactions or partial snap shots of a bigger picture. Ever heard of measure twice and cut once? But again, since the DNR has to go through the General Assembly, there’s no way they can act expeditiously and that is no fault of their own. I get it though. The DNR is a more readily accessible entity than the General Assembly and therefore they draw the finger of blame. The DNR realizes that too and yet they pull on their “green jeans” everyday and set out to do their jobs regardless of public perception. Hmmm…I guess to them, the job is more important than people’s opinions of them. Interesting concept.
“…be a man and PM me.”
I’ll just stick with the Santee example of how slack DNR biologists are.
Every reservoir that’s had a major grass carp stocking to control aquatic vegetation has had a corresponding decrease in the entire fishery. Lake Conroe in Texas is a perfect example, the carp cleaned out every blade of grass…then were eating leaves off of willow branches they could reach.
So what did DNR biologists say when Santee Cooper Power not only engaged in the largest stocking of grass carp in history, but also dumped extended release poison into the lakes?
Nothing. And what happened? The entire fishery dropped off.
Private citizens worked on restocking bass fingerlings into the lake. Private citizens lobbied for tighter li
for those that dont read the Sunday paper, excellent front page article on our shrinking coast by Tony Bartoleme The time lapsed photos of Fort Johnson/Plum Island are revealing
So Bang, just to be clear, you believe SCDNR does a good job of evaluating the populations of our top two inshore game fish (reds and trout)?
If so, you believe the people who pursue such critters the most don’t know nearly as much as the biologists?
Yes, I believe in the DNR and the job they do, period. Not just as it pertains to our fisheries. I don’t believe for one second that anyone at the DNR doesn’t care about the well being of our state’s natural resources, and more specifically our fisheries and our wildlife and I believe they have their best interests in mind. Otherwise, why get into the profession?
I believe not everyone that “pursues such critter” is an authority on them. I pursue them but would hardly consider myself an authority on them. People that spend hundreds of days per year on the water are very knowledgeable resources and, as I’ve mentioned before, the DNR reaches out to those resources to aid in their research. As they should. That said, what charter captains do during their time on the water isn’t identical to what biologists do during their time on the water. Meaning, I wouldn’t turn to the DNR to discuss when and where to catch fish or to locate certain schools at certain times of year and I wouldn’t turn to a charter captain to discuss mean crowding for random distribution for various marine ecosystems. Time on the water doesn’t make someone a fisheries biologist in the same manner that taking people fishing does make someone a charter captain.
I also believe the General Assembly is a tremendous obstacle for the DNR when it comes to them being allowed to do their job.
“…be a man and PM me.”
Agreed that we have things backwards in GA controlling laws pertaining to data collected by DNR.
Disagree that DNR has done a good job assessing fish stocks whether it be trout, reds, or stripers.
We should all be on the same page to protect the resource. Fact is inshore fishing will SUCK this year for reds and trout compared to the 2000s. As has been proven before, it will take the efforts of private entities to step up.
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Originally posted by RADDADDYAgreed that we have things backwards in GA controlling laws pertaining to data collected by DNR.
Disagree that DNR has done a good job assessing fish stocks whether it be trout, reds, or stripers.
We should all be on the same page to protect the resource. Fact is inshore fishing will SUCK this year for reds and trout compared to the 2000s. As has been proven before, it will take the efforts of private entities to step up.
Fair enough.
Quite frankly, I believe most of us are on the same page, regardless of our personal beliefs about the DNR. I for one will be practicing catch and release all year and anyone that goes fishing with me this year will do so as well.
“…be a man and PM me.”