Prospecting techniques/strategy

As the water cools and shallower live bottom areas become more lively i hope to do some prospecting for new to me ledge/live bottom areas. what are yalls favorite techniques for discovering these areas???

i was thinking just a regular trolling speed pulling some plugs and spoons near areas where i expect to find some relief. any other suggestions??? figure on staying away from live bait to keep speed up and cover more ground. maybe mix in a couple ballyhoo with skirts or whatever too. just wondering how others locate new areas besides begging, borrowing, or stealing Coordinates.

Take out the maps unique chart.

Look at where the concentrations of hard bottom symbols are located. Navigate to these areas rather than navigating to specific points. Tune your sonar, and learn to use it more than your GPS. The chartplotter needs to take the place of a marker buoy, and your sonar needs to take the place of begging, borrowing or stealing.

There are thousands of acres of hard bottom off our coast. I am amazed at how people think that the fish can only be at somebody’s “numbers.”

Once you get more confident doing the above- by trial and error, I would advise deploying a strategy like in your original post and broadening out into areas where there aren’t as many known hard bottom reefs (again- it’s all shown quite clearly on a maps unique).

If you try to troll at first, it hampers your ability to really pay attention to the sonar and learn what it is telling you at different settings. Go to an area loaded up with reefs and focus on using your sonar.

If you can’t do this, then you aren’t taking it seriously enough, which is fine too. Seems like you want to get serious though.

P.S.- most “numbers” people have are spots that have been shared and pounded for decades… they’re actually not the best producers out there, relatively speaking.

Everybody wants numbers, and it’s fairly baffling to me. Why not learn how to find fish so that you’ll catch them no matter where you’re able to go fishing. You get a lot of pride out of figuring it out and having that confidence in yourself and your equipment.


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thanks wes i definitely agree that there is much more out there than what is listed, the thing is always time. you have to sacrifice time basically taking a ocean cruise rather than fishing. its a tough sell.

how much of your legendary book of #s was found this way???

What Phin said. Except my method is to plug in a stretch of the live bottom and/or higher relief ledge numbers on the Maps Unique chart so I have basically a set of waypoints to hit in the area I want to explore. Then zig zag from point to point in the area that’s covered up with live bottom. Not trolling, but with bottom rigs ready so you can hold the boat at any moment and make a few drops. They are area numbers so you’ll still have to search. But there’s so much live bottom it won’t take you long at all to find activity, given that you know how to read and tune your bottom machine.

This was my first year fishing in the Charleston area. 95% of my numbers were found this way. The other 5% were from somebody who found them the same way, but doesn’t fish in SC anymore.

Lots of stealing goes on…

I learned from my granddaddy, who fished like 8 or 9 times a year in a boat that would run 21mph wide open. With LORAN, he got 100 “holes” marked over 25 or 30 yrs, and he had the bigger artificial pieces once that program started. Keep in mind everything was written down with pencil and not just saved by pressing a mark button on a plotter. If we marked the same spots today we’d do about 8 or 9 points for each of his “holes” = 800-900 numbers.

He would go to the hole, turn on the graph, and have a guy ready to throw out a block tied to a plastic jug. When fish got marked, the jug went out. If the fish “weren’t biting,” then we would move.

He didn’t have the technology we have today to look at stuff in great detail while running over it and instantly marking things. Half of his stuff came from sharing with other fishermen as well.

As I have helped people with old books like my granddad’s I have noticed that there are about 1000 or so “numbers” that most everyone seems to have. There are fish there, but logic would indicate to us that it might be prudent to try elsewhere if everyone else fishes at those spots, wouldn’t it?

I have to credit Purpose One with teaching me a different style of fishing. We would look around for hours. We would mark stuff but keep on looking. Most people see a mark and stop and fish. P1 would keep on looking around- even when everyone on the boat would have become pretty much angry with how we were not putting baits down…

By the end of the day, they would have learned the difference between short cut fishing and truly prospecting an area.

What’s more, most people stop and fish, don’t have success, and then ride to another “number” like 10 miles away? Why??!

The fish aren’t just going to not be in a particular area at all. They do move around throughout the year due to food, spawning, temps, water clarity, etc., but if you’re needing to find the right area then make the move legit. I might move from 70ft to 90ft or to 150ft but not from 70ft to 75ft if the bit

Phin
"I see you saying you don’t have the time.

You DO have the time.

It is just a question of whether you want an hour of ax sharpening and 5 hours of tree chopping or if you want 2 hours of ax sharpening and an hour of tree chopping.

Nobody likes to sharpen an ax for that long, but the one thing that is worse is hacking at a tree for more than twice as long as you needed to."

Food for thought for a large portion of the charleston fishing community…no doubt

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Originally posted by surfwrangler

As the water cools and shallower live bottom areas become more lively i hope to do some prospecting for new to me ledge/live bottom areas. what are yalls favorite techniques for discovering these areas???

i was thinking just a regular trolling speed pulling some plugs and spoons near areas where i expect to find some relief. any other suggestions??? figure on staying away from live bait to keep speed up and cover more ground. maybe mix in a couple ballyhoo with skirts or whatever too. just wondering how others locate new areas besides begging, borrowing, or stealing Coordinates.


Yes, you will find numbers that way for sure. Most of the mapsunique numbers are in good "areas". I've yet to go on a bottom fishing trip and not find a new mark.

Good info here!! Just a little dedication, will get us a long way.

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Wes has some good info here. We usually mark and or dive 5-10 new spots every single trip. Those new marks usually come from transitioning from known marks to other known marks. After a while, you’ll notice your GPS has patterns of marks with traditional headings to and from known fishing grounds. At that point, it’s time to really go exploring the “blank” spots on your GPS. Take time to slow down and watch your bottom machine. Don’t be afraid to drop on marks that look like nothing. In the summer, those very short ledges (1-2’ relief) usually hold the best fish. Big stuff is usually good for winter fishing, but don’t be afraid of the little stuff. It doesn’t take but maybe 5 minutes to set-up and drop a jig on a new mark. That 5 mins will pay off in dividends years down the road.

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It took 7 years but I just “filled up” my machine (2500 waypoints)

Good thing I put a second unit on the boat this summer…

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It took 7 years but I just “filled up” my machine (2500 waypoints)

Good thing I put a second unit on the boat this summer…

www.JigSkinz.com


Try driving slower; wouldn’t have taken you so long.

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[quote]Originally posted by Phin

I have to credit Purpose One with teaching me a different style of fishing. We would look around for hours. We would mark stuff but keep on looking. Most people see a mark and stop and fish. P1 would keep on looking around- even when everyone on the boat would have become pretty much angry with how we were not putting baits down…

By the end of the day, they would have learned the difference between short cut fishing and truly prospecting an area.

I like to try and do stuff that other people don’t do. I like to fish where others aren’t fishing.

I see you saying you don’t have the time.

You DO have the time.

It is just a question of whether you want an hour of ax sharpening and 5 hours of tree chopping or if you want 2 hours of ax sharpening and an hour of tree chopping.

Nobody likes to sharpen an ax for that long, but the one thing that is worse is hacking at a tree for more than twice as long as you needed to.

I’ve been fortunate enough to fish with P1 and Phin several times. Promise you that what he is sharing is what he is doing. Nothing added for www internet glory, just cut to the bones real deal stuff. My first gag trip with him we had 4 of us total. We spent an hour loading the livewell of bait, then at least 2hrs of driving and drooling over bottom that looked covered up. Dude wouldn’t even let me drop a jig down to tease us or please us, :frowning_face:. Finally, Phin start giggling and said this is it boyzzzzz. 4 livies over the side and within 30 seconds we all were hooked up on our first drops…4 gags, over 60lbs total in less than 5 minutes. Due to the restrictions, we had to practice catch and release for a bit, but the bite was off da hook.

I just sayin’ that a few people on this site due generally care and are willing to help with real information that they have taken years to attain. Listen and say thanks on the DL when the time is right, I do all the

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Originally posted by Phin
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Originally posted by Courtland

It took 7 years but I just “filled up” my machine (2500 waypoints)

Good thing I put a second unit on the boat this summer…

www.JigSkinz.com


Try driving slower; wouldn’t have taken you so long.

:stuck_out_tongue:


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Contenders don’t go that slow:sunglasses:!!

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