very nice posts! The redfish were decimated by commercial fishermen,Seems the big breeder reds grouped up in large schools just offshore and were easy targets for the commercial guys…They were simply raped before coming inshore to spawn…Stopping that practice and inshore limits have resulted in the increase…Conservation and limits are necessary,however when it gets to the point that you kill more than 3 to keep 3,it is simply time to upgrade the limits…Say 6 between 12 and 30 inches. If anyone catches more than 6(releases or not) they would be violating the limits… I sincerely believe this would increase the population of reds. This would be a problem for the guys who enjoy injuring and releasing unlimited quantities of fish especially those who are guides. I respect those who release fish but why should I spend 200 dollars for a trip and be forced to kill more than I catch just so these guys can make money and have fun?
quote:Originally posted by rockbottom3
I am no fish expert or bioligist but I know this about limits. When I was growing up in the late 60’s and early 70’s in the ACE Basin you could catch Spottails in large quantities very easily. We did just that - everybody did to the point of in the 80’s and into the 90’s you couldn’t find them anywhere. Well sometime in the 90s the first limits came out and then adjusted (refined) several time after that. Now we call them Redfish and once again you can catch them with some degree of regualarity and the quality of the fish much improved. This tells me that humans (us) are not smart enough, or discplined enough, or too selfish (however you look at it) to police ourselves to not exploit what we love to the point of not having it anymore. When I fish and I get the limt - I keep the limt. I strictly follow the slot. Sometimes would I like more than 3? - yes. But following the guidelines that seem to be working so w
I must be missin something, why on earth would anybody want to keep a 12 inch redfish? I could get way more meat off of 3 upperslot than 6 12" redfish. A baby red like that would hardly be worth cleaning.
If you’re gonna post your views on an open forum, don’t get your panties in a wad when people disagree with you, and rightfully so! I personally am a big fan of the slot, If I wanna keep 3 reds that’s fine, but if I’d like to release them that’s fine too. You’re the one saying stay out of people’s business, them jumping down someone’s throat because you don’t like how they conserve the population. Just go back to fishing with the oyster barons, and we’ll agree to disagree
very nice posts! The redfish were decimated by commercial fishermen,Seems the big breeder reds grouped up in large schools just offshore and were easy targets for the commercial guys…They were simply raped before coming inshore to spawn…Stopping that practice and inshore limits have resulted in the increase…Conservation and limits are necessary,however when it gets to the point that you kill more than 3 to keep 3,it is simply time to upgrade the limits…Say 6 between 12 and 30 inches. If anyone catches more than 6(releases or not) they would be violating the limits… I sincerely believe this would increase the population of reds. This would be a problem for the guys who enjoy injuring and releasing unlimited quantities of fish especially those who are guides. I respect those who release fish but why should I spend 200 dollars for a trip and be forced to kill more than I catch just so these guys can make money and have fun?
quote:Originally posted by rockbottom3
I am no fish expert or bioligist but I know this about limits. When I was growing up in the late 60’s and early 70’s in the ACE Basin you could catch Spottails in large quantities very easily. We did just that - everybody did to the point of in the 80’s and into the 90’s you couldn’t find them anywhere. Well sometime in the 90s the first limits came out and then adjusted (refined) several time after that. Now we call them Redfish and once again you can catch them with some degree of regualarity and the quality of the fish much improved. This tells me that humans (us) are not smart enough, or discplined enough, or too selfish (however you look at it) to police ourselves to not exploit what we love to the point of not having it anymore. When I fish an
Optiker I visited your commercial site and saw all your photos…very nice and professional…Looks like you enjoy catching,photographing and releasing big reds…That is ghreat.I must apologize for stepping on your toes to the pouint you fell it necessary to call me names…Like I said before,if the reds could think and talk wonder if they would agree more with me or you?
very nice posts! The redfish were decimated by commercial fishermen,Seems the big breeder reds grouped up in large schools just offshore and were easy targets for the commercial guys…They were simply raped before coming inshore to spawn…Stopping that practice and inshore limits have resulted in the increase…Conservation and limits are necessary,however when it gets to the point that you kill more than 3 to keep 3,it is simply time to upgrade the limits…Say 6 between 12 and 30 inches. If anyone catches more than 6(releases or not) they would be violating the limits… I sincerely believe this would increase the population of reds. This would be a problem for the guys who enjoy injuring and releasing unlimited quantities of fish especially those who are guides. I respect those who release fish but why should I spend 200 dollars for a trip and be forced to kill more than I catch just so these guys can make money and have fun?
quote:Originally posted by rockbottom3
I am no fish expert or bioligist but I know this about limits. When I was growing up in the late 60’s and early 70’s in the ACE Basin you could catch Spottails in large quantities very easily. We did just that - everybody did to the point of in the 80’s and into the 90’s you couldn’t find them anywhere. Well sometime in the 90s the first limits came out and then adjusted (refined) several time after that. Now we call them Redfish and once again you can catch them with some degree of regualarity and the quality of the fish much improved. This tells me that humans (us) are not smart enough, or discplined enough, or too selfish (however you look at it) to police ourselves to not exploit what we love to the point of not having it anymore. When I fish an
OK YAKMAN you asked for it…A 12 inch fish scaled ,gutted and deheaded provides more meat than your fileted 15 incher…No waste there!And taste better.The bigger ones are not as good…but anyone that filets is wasting good meat.
Disagreeing is fine. I never said keep out of peoples business,I said obey the limits whatever they are.
As far as jumping down someone,s throat??I am not the one calling names here…
If you guys only caught and released three then our limits would be equal…I sincerely believe that my suggested changes to limits would be better for the redfish population than going out catching as many as you want to and believing that is just fine and even good for the fish… I also believe that you guys that feel that way know any changes would endanger your selfish desires to catch as many as you like just to show off or make money.
Telling me to stop fishing ??? are you serious?Must have stepped on your toes too.
quote:Originally posted by yakman72
I must be missin something, why on earth would anybody want to keep a 12 inch redfish? I could get way more meat off of 3 upperslot than 6 12" redfish. A baby red like that would hardly be worth cleaning.
If you’re gonna post your views on an open forum, don’t get your panties in a wad when people disagree with you, and rightfully so! I personally am a big fan of the slot, If I wanna keep 3 reds that’s fine, but if I’d like to release them that’s fine too. You’re the one saying stay out of people’s business, them jumping down someone’s throat because you don’t like how they conserve the population. Just go back to fishing with the oyster barons, and we’ll agree to disagree
toppy - I stand by my original statement that your post was ignorant. Do yourself a favor: Go to Fort Johnson, spend a day, talk to the biologists there. Learn about the SCIENCE. Have you done this? I have. Maybe call and get yourself a tag kit. Start tagging redfish. See how many are recaptured, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year, + later. More than one recapture sometimes. Have you done this? I have. Saying that catch and release of redfish kills them is ignorant. I have a pile of recapture certs on my desk. Get a clue before you go to your keyboard and typing rubbish.
quote:All the aholes that catch twenty or thirty and release actually do more harm than good
You also said this…
quote:,I said obey the limits whatever they are.
Many days we have to release 30 over and under slot fish just to get a limit of legal fish. That is following the law and the limits. The slot limits work, there are more redfish now than there have been in 50 years, the DNR knows what it’s doing. Do you really think you know more than the scientists? How did that campaign against the oyster barons you were going to take on with DNR work out for you?
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Sir I do not want anyone to rape the redfish! To suggest I want that is ludicrous…I was referring to large scale netting of huge breeder schools(commercial) If that shoe fits you,wear it…I do not have a problem with guides catching and releasing fish as they are surely more knowledgeable than most guys on proper release to ensure survival. Limits should be the same for all whether you keep them or not.Dont be so selfish,lets even up the playing field here.
There must be just a little truth to my thoughts or there would not be so much “squealing” and name calling here.
quote:Originally posted by yakman72
quote:Originally posted by toppyblue
very nice posts! The redfish were decimated by commercial fishermen,Seems the big breeder reds grouped up in large schools just offshore and were easy targets for the commercial guys…They were simply raped before coming inshore to spawn…Stopping that practice and inshore limits have resulted in the increase…Conservation and limits are necessary,however when it gets to the point that you kill more than 3 to keep 3,it is simply time to upgrade the limits…Say 6 between 12 and 30 inches. If anyone catches more than 6(releases or not) they would be violating the limits… I sincerely believe this would increase the population of reds. This would be a problem for the guys who enjoy injuring and releasing unlimited quantities of fish especially those who are guides. I respect those who release fish but why should I spend 200 dollars for a trip and be forced to kill more than I catch just so these guys can make money and have fun?
Toppy, Just curious how you are fishing for redfish. Are you gut hooking a majority of them? I kayak fish and usually have a single line out at a time. So, at least, 90% of the fish I catch are hooked in the lip and, when released, swim off strong. It sucks thowing gut hooked fish back because their chances of survival are slim. But, like others said, they feed the crabs, shrimp, dolphins etc. On the rare occasion I gut hook a fish, I keep it if it’s in the slot. With proper handling a lip hooked redfish has an excellent chance of survival.
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we have struck a nerve, so lets all back up and punt, keep within the laws and regulations and let each one answer for it if they decide not to, we are not the DNR let them do the job they get paid for, lets discuss trout tricks, are they good or just another advertising ploy to win us over, do they work as well as the electric chicken on sea trout? are they worth the price?
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we have struck a nerve, so lets all back up and punt, keep within the laws and regulations and let each one answer for it if they decide not to, we are not the DNR let them do the job they get paid for, lets discuss trout tricks, are they good or just another advertising ploy to win us over, do they work as well as the electric chicken on sea trout? are they worth the price?
Gotta disagree Paintblend. I think this is a very valid and relevant discussion. Each side is stating their case (while the law only agrees with one side, but…) and making their argument. It’s a healthy debate.
If those of us on the conservation side can convince those who don’t think they have to abide by catch limits, slot limits, etc that they are wrong and that they’re damaging the resource, and it causes them to change their behavior, then I think this debate did a helluva lot of good.
Plus, it’s a lot more fun than arguing politics.
i just don’t like the tone of the debate, there are rules and regulations set for a reason and if someone decides to break them then that is their decision to make and when they get caught don’t cry about it, i feel that the majority of people actually abide by the rules and they feel that way, the strong opinions are just that strong opinions, no one is going to convince the other party they are wrong, so why keep it going, we still have freeness of speech and it has been used on this forum to express views, now we all have the right to remain silent, and that is my suggestion, let a sleeping dog lay, its like a cow pile let it crust over, the more you stir it the more it’s gonna stink, now what about them trout tricks, do i need to run out and buy a bag,lol
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I am learning something - I thought the vast majority of inshore fisherman always practiced catch and release for redfish. I guess I am naive, but we rarely keep redfish and everyone I fish with is the same. I always thought this was the reason our fishery for redfish is so strong - because most catch and release despite the rules that they can keep some.
Redfish is not my fish of choice to eat, i had rather have flounder or black sea bass, i think the limit on black sea bass is a little low but i will live with it,
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