With recent discussions on Red Snapper harvest or lack there of I figured I would share that we are carrying Seaqualizers at both Haddrell’s Point Tackle locations.
Check out their webpage.
I have been to the port meetings in reference to Red Snapper and this is what SAFMC is pushing to decrease Red Snapper release mortality.
I have used these on recent trips and they are very easy to use with a deep drop lead and a downrigger.
Stop by and pick one up before your next offshore adventure.
I can’t help but to think that these will be appreciated by the 'cuda population we have around here. I won’t scrutinize the method though, because it’s probably a lot better than anything else on the market right now.
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They are actually doing tests using acoustic transmitters to determine the fate of red snapper and species released using these devices vs other methods.
i wander if they could attach some kind of acoustic transmitter that would deter predators, such as cudas, while the fish was being lowered.
If I’m posting, its because I’m sitting here at work, dreaming about fishing.
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI can’t help but to think that these will be appreciated by the 'cuda population we have around here. I won’t scrutinize the method though, because it’s probably a lot better than anything else on the market right now.
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This train of thought is why we don’t have a snapper season. What it comes down to is this… The SAFMC thinks that red snapper don’t survive release. And then, they get on websites like CF.com and read things like this (that is actually far from reality) and it confirms in their mind that they are correct.
Our last bottom trip was about 2 weeks ago and I never even saw a cuda during the trip and we certainly did not witness any fish being lost to a cuda.
The reality is, if handled properly, MOST fish survive release. If you see more than a 10% mortality rate, then the simple fact is that the fish isn’t being handled properly.
What needs to happen for us to ever have a snapper season again is for fishermen to practice good release (that doesn’t involve putting on gloves and holding a fish by it’s gills for a picture), and then ranting and raving about how all of the fish survived.
Instead, what we get is fishermen perpetuating false information (“it’s a shame we can’t keep them, they all die”) in hopes that the SAFMC will just throw their arms up in the air and do away with all limits. This technique simply doesn’t work and just hurts the cause.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:
Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI can’t help but to think that these will be appreciated by the 'cuda population we have around here. I won’t scrutinize the method though, because it’s probably a lot better than anything else on the market right now.
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This train of thought is why we don’t have a snapper season. What it comes down to is this… The SAFMC thinks that red snapper don’t survive release. And then, they get on websites like CF.com and read things like this (that is actually far from reality) and it confirms in their mind that they are correct.
Our last bottom trip was about 2 weeks ago and I never even saw a cuda during the trip and we certainly did not witness any fish being lost to a cuda.
The reality is, if handled properly, MOST fish survive release. If you see more than a 10% mortality rate, then the simple fact is that the fish isn’t being handled properly.
What needs to happen for us to ever have a snapper season again is for fishermen to practice good release (that doesn’t involve putting on gloves and holding a fish by it’s gills for a picture), and then ranting and raving about how all of the fish survived.
Instead, what we get is fishermen perpetuating false information (“it’s a shame we can’t keep them, they all die”) in hopes that the SAFMC will just throw their arms up in the air and do away with all limits. This technique simply doesn’t work and just hurts the cause.
I went fishing yesterday. I saw a few nice ARS and a few large 'cuda in the same location.
I feel like ther
quote:There is really no need for a pity party. I gave you the facts.
Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI went fishing yesterday. I saw a few nice ARS and a few large 'cuda in the same location.
I feel like there isn’t an acceptable comment I could have made to appease this crowd. Sorry if my mentality doesn’t meet your standards.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:
This train of thought is why we don’t have a snapper season. What it comes down to is this… The SAFMC thinks that red snapper don’t survive release. And then, they get on websites like CF.com and read things like this (that is actually far from reality) and it confirms in their mind that they are correct.
Our last bottom trip was about 2 weeks ago and I never even saw a cuda during the trip and we certainly did not witness any fish being lost to a cuda.
The reality is, if handled properly, MOST fish survive release. If you see more than a 10% mortality rate, then the simple fact is that the fish isn’t being handled properly.
What needs to happen for us to ever have a snapper season again is for fishermen to practice good release (that doesn’t involve putting on gloves and holding a fish by it’s gills for a picture), and then ranting and raving about how all of the fish survived.
Instead, what we get is fishermen perpetuating false information (“it’s a shame we can’t keep them, they all die”) in hopes that the SAFMC will just throw their arms up in the air and do away with all limits. This technique simply doesn’t work and just hurts the cause.
HRRUMPH!!!
No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how far you fall…you are never out of the fight.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:There is really no need for a pity party. I gave you the facts.
Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI went fishing yesterday. I saw a few nice ARS and a few large 'cuda in the same location.
I feel like there isn’t an acceptable comment I could have made to appease this crowd. Sorry if my mentality doesn’t meet your standards.
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Sssshhhh… if we don’t talk about the problem they will think there isn’t one and I’ll get to keep more fish. Great facts
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherSssshhhh… if we don’t talk about the problem they will think there isn’t one and I’ll get to keep more fish. Great facts
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My point exactly. Fishermen are their own worst enemy.
What problem are you referring to? Do you believe that red snapper are overfished and are currently undergoing overfishing?
MuddyWaterFisher…
All of Skinnee’s comments are spot on. If you haven’t been to meetings or had some other hands on involvement with the fisheries management for a decent length of time, you pretty much know Zero about what you are trying to discuss.
As far as Cudas go…, they primarily are around artificial structure of any kind. The larger the structure the more cudas there will be. The Majority of fish attracting bottom off our coast is live bottom and reef. There are SUBSTANTIALLY fewer cudas on the live bottom vs wrecks and other larger than natural artificial bottom. The majority of snapper live in those live bottom reef structure areas, which means the cuda discussion is 98% irrelevant and not worth discussing.
There is plenty we can discuss to help ourselves with the snapper problem but what you write on here does matter and IS being viewed…especially threads like this which were posted and designed to HELP wit the red snapper situation. WE always to think before speaking and sometimes it is better just to read and listen to form educated opinions before speaking.
What I’m trying to discuss is using a seaqualizer around the predators we have around here. It seems that this topic has de-railed into an argument about the red snapper population.
I personally don’t need to catch red snapper, and so I don’t care if we have a season either way. There are plenty of other fish to catch. I will however state again that I was fishing yesterday and I witnessed TWO barracuda in the same location that I also witnessed red snapper.
We were fishing on rocks and ledges, not on artificial structures. Don’t bother trying to convince me that they can’t be in the same place.
I remember a long time ago when this forum was about discussing our opinions and experiences. Seems like you guys want to cherry pick what should and should not be posted based on your agenda.
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Buddy I have fished with offshore purchased one of the seaqualizers a few years ago. He keeps a bent butt rod at the ready to send em down quickly. They’re adjustable in 50’ increments. IMO, they should be required. Better than sticking a hole in one.
Never did get around to attaching the Go Pro above the seaqualizer to video the release, but there are some youtube vids of it out there.
NN
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Originally posted by DoubleNBuddy I have fished with offshore purchased one of the seaqualizers a few years ago. He keeps a bent butt rod at the ready to send em down quickly. They’re adjustable in 50’ increments. IMO, they should be required. Better than sticking a hole in one.
Never did get around to attaching the Go Pro above the seaqualizer to video the release, but there are some youtube vids of it out there.
NN
I can agree about the venting issue. I can’t imagine the fish fair too well after so much handling and adding a hole. I know I’ve had less success with venting that I would like.
Although I seem to be a villain around here today, I probably will pick up a seaqualizer anyway. They say on the web that it has an 85% success rate for larger fish. I’m guessing with enough weight you probably could sink them pretty fast.
There are some youtube videos that make them look pretty lively when they’re dropped back down.
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Originally posted by MuddyWaterFisherI personally don’t need to catch red snapper, and so I don’t care if we have a season either way.
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Muddy, don’t take it personal, Skinny and FnB are actually trying to help you help those that do care.
NN
Sometimes ya can minimize the 'cuda threat.
Had a good bite one morning and after we each put several fish on ice this pretty one came up. Someone else was laying in wait under the boat though. In a flash I was down to extra bait vs nice fillets.
Justin dropped a live bait on wire down 15’ and he landed the culprit. SOB wanted to fish with us, so be it. He laid on the ■■■■■■■■ all day.
We’ve all seen it happen before. My point was that it’s not the “norm”. I’ve even see dolphins\porpoise eat throwbacks, but only once or twice, so I’m not going to list it as a reason to not use a descending device. Honestly, I cannot remember the last trip where I have witnessed a fish eaten by a cuda. That being said, I typically do not bottom fish in July\August. And, if the cudas\sharks are thick on a spot, there is always the choice to move to a different spot.
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Originally posted by DG34YFSometimes ya can minimize the 'cuda threat.
Had a good bite one morning and after we each put several fish on ice this pretty one came up. Someone else was laying in wait under the boat though. In a flash I was down to extra bait vs nice fillets.
Justin dropped a live bait on wire down 15’ and he landed the culprit. SOB wanted to fish with us, so be it. He laid on the ■■■■■■■■ all day.
Ive been told that the cudas follow those yellowtail around up here. That one trip where we caught our big ones we had a cuda fest. Like biting triggers in half. I got a picture of that somewhere lol
I’m in favor of using the seaqualizer btw
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