Im putting a machine gun on the front of my skiff. Can’t wait til someone gets too close to me.
Way to go for the newbie. Watching people catch their 1st is awesome, but watchin someone catch their last is twice as good. Has happened twice to me, once a nice fellow with alzheimers and another cancer patient. Their smiles were huge.
i made this up but i think it’s true
Some folks still seem to think that these kids on sail boats(and flatbottom)would know with absolute certainty, that their boat is bomb-free. Unless you do a complete sweep of your vessel everytime you put it in the water, you won’t know. This is what our men and women in Law Enforcement are up against.
Spot on Vinman!!!
Seafox 187CC
agreed indeed. if you listen to the radio there are broadcasts to the public to stay outside the security zone. If something happened to a cruise ship it would be considered a mass casualty and then the CG would have their fingers pointed at them bc they didnt save everyone or let this happen. they are trained to make those judgement calls and know thier job. another reason this is retarded is bc who is taking 12 year old kids in the middle of the shipping channel to learn to sail. pretty stupid really.
I understand and partially agree, but on the flip side, just for thought, every person who boards an airplane, goes to a federal building, or attends a football game could be a terrorist about to blow up hundreds (or thousands) of people, too. So, should we also have young men pointing machine guns at everyone entering airports, football stadiums, and federal buildings, kids and all? No argument desired here. This is just food for thought. The Coast Guard should definitely run boats off, check them out, and keep their guns at hand, locked and loaded, but I’m not so sure that pointing live machine guns at innocent civilians is the best idea. If it is, then we need to be doing the same thing at all the airports, federal buildings, and football stadiums, because they are just as much targets as cruise ships are. Just a thought, guys. Don’t shoot. 
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Is this charleston FISHING website where they give FISHING reports?
RW
There are many valid points here. We need to stay safe and if that comes with a little inconvinence I am willing to live with that. All the protectors of our great nation are well trained and I believe they would pull the trigger as a last resort. I thank them all for keeping us safe. Keep up the good work.
A wise man once said “Do as I say not as I do” Good advice when I tell you that.
There is the chance that “certain people” with the proper credentials can go fish where they want. Depends on your background check and identification. There should be such for “non-certain people” that are model citizens. All people are created equal but lose a bit during the process of being human over time… just sayin.
Dogfish09, it’s not stupid at all, but quite ethical if you know what your talking about. Every single yacht club, high school and college sailing programs practice in the channel. This is because the wind conditions here often cause sailboats of all kinds to spread out and cover more water to sail to the point of destination more quick, otherwise we would not be able to go anywhere due to the fast currents. If you don’t know what your talking about it’s not smart to comment since now you have no credibility on this website. After all, most regattas here in charleston are set up in some parts of the channel.
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What a fishing report. Freedom of speech at it’s best on all the fish you caught. Interesting report and some good warning to keep your distance from cruise ships. i run into the coast guards a lot running into goose creek entrance while they have a cargo ship unloading or loading for that matter. When they turn into my direction I slow down and continue to move and they turn get back to guarding that ship. It’s called respect for what they have to do and they leave you alone. I an ex-military vet respect what they and all military personnel has to do and let’s just share the waters with them and continue to enjoy our FREEDOM.
Too Fish or not Too Fish
That be the question!
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cam I dont know of any 12 year olds in a college sailing program or high school sailing program but ill look around though. maybe they could hook me up with some cred too since i dont know what im talking about and since you have no clue who i am. read what i said. Im just trying to root for the home team. and yeah lots of good stuff here to think about and wish the govt could protect all these big events better but they cant. port security is definatly a good place to start though. yeah done with this but dude called me out.
No offense intended, Dawg, but just to be fair to Cam, how long have you lived here? Do you fish offshore? Ever been to th JI Yacht Club? From your post, you’ve apparently never had to watch out for the kids in the sailboats as you were returning from offshore. We used to have to dodge them all the time. When I was a kid, the JI Yacht Club had young kids sailing in the harbor routinely, per my recollection, and there are college kids in sailing school regularly these days, too. They all use the harbor as far as I know. I don’t know how young they go because I never got into sailing, but I’ve seen some pretty young kids on those sail boats, and it doesn’t matter to me whether you call it 12 or 19, because either way, it’s someone’s kids. Kids sailing in the harbor is a pretty old tradition on Charleston. They’ve been doing it for at least two generations now (that’s as far back as my experience goes), and all of a sudden, they have live machine guns pointed at them for sailing where they’ve always sailed. Yes, times are changing because of terrorism, and part of that is understandable, but there should always be room for discussion and modification in the best interest of the people. Like I said, I agree with the CG doing its job to protect us, but “protect” is the key word, and innocent civilians do deserve a wide berth of consideration. Israel didn’t find it necessary to point guns at me when I went there, even though their terrorist threat is greater than any in the world, but they still managed to shoot down the sniper from the rooftop in Jerusalem before he hit anyone. As I said before, pulling up in the CG boat with live guns to run off boats and check them out is fine in my book, but pointing the guns at people is another story. If it’s really necessary to point guns at kids in sailboats, then what about other threats? Ships are no greater targets than stadiums or airplanes, so if it’s necessary to point MG’s at the kiddies in the harbor, then we need to start pointing MG’s at every person at
In summary of the above, I have another piece of food for thought.
If we have to point machine guns at kids in sailboats close to cruise ships because they might have a bomb, then why don’t we point maching guns at the passengers boarding the ships, since they might also have bombs? Haven’t all the hijacks of airlines been perpetrated by people boarding the planes?
Again, the CG absolutely should patrol the waters with live guns and use them where necessary, and they should run off and check out boats when they are in the wrong places, and they should keep their hands on the ready guns, but if we’re going to start POINTING guns at our community’s own kids, where does it stop? I also agree that the CG would catch a lot of ■■■■■ if a bomber did manage to hit a ship, but what ■■■■■ would they catch if a wake hit and the guy on the gun slipped and accidentally popped off 3 rounds into some taxpayer before he realized it?
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quote:To Dawgfish09, if you took the time to read my post you would see that I mentioned yacht club sailing programs. The age for these programs is 7-14 with no exceptions. Ive sailed all my life and have coached various charleston sailing programs during high school and college, so not to sound cocky, but I know a good but about what im arguing. But as for you on the other hand.....................
Originally posted by camEvery single yacht club, high school and college sailing programs practice in the channel.
To gotcha covered, you took the words right out of my mouth and I agree a hundred percent with what you are trying to say.
172 Sea Hunt Triton
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Flat Bottom, was the gun actually pointed at you or was it pinned up with a guy standing next to it. Very rarely do I see a coastie POINTING the 240 at boats/targets much less kids in a sunfish. Those guys have a job to do but I’d hate to think their judgment is bad enough to stick a belt fed machine gun in the face of kids who routinely sail in the harbor. They see the same kids in the harbor just as much as everyone else does, but then again; complacency kills.
Im very aware of sailing programs that why I said I dont see any 12 yo sailors in high school mainly bc it is freking impossible 12 yo’s are in elementary school obviously. however kids in these sailing programs are in close supervision since your a coach cam you should know this except in the case you described earlier when you mentioned about one of your kids getting to close to a bigger vessel. that is the kind of stuff I was refering to when saying stupid. Sure there are regattas all the time and they are scheduled events just like ships entering ports. If your are supervising a 12 year old sailing why would you teach him to get close to a vessel that draws so much water. I was never unaware of the fact that people sail in the channel at all never said that. you were just so quick to get defensive because you like to sail. your worried about if im ever offshore or who does this or that. yeah im you come in the harbor from fishing offshore your not in a cruise ship are you no you have more manuervability than a cruise ship your not that worried about a little sailing vessel at all. And your absolutly right about being a great tradition and it is sad that times have changed but once again if the CG were to be bias on who they let do this and that then that is not doing the job are are trained to do. That is when a routine task turns into chaos. practice makes perfect. anyway have a good new year
Dawgfish,
You addressed Cam, but you mentioned some things that I actually said, too, so I will reply.
On page 1, you posted, “another reason this is retarded is bc who is taking 12 year old kids in the middle of the shipping channel to learn to sail. pretty stupid really.” You weren’t talking about the obvious fact that 12-year-olds aren’t in high school yet, but were explicitly talking about 12-year-olds not sailing in the harbor channel. You followed the comment with, “cam I dont know of any 12 year olds in a college sailing program or high school sailing program but ill look around though.” on this page. So, Cam and I just informed you that 12-year-olds actually do practice sailing school in the harbor and have been for decades. You then made a comment sort of complaining that someone “called you out” (I guess Cam?), but that didn’t really happen from what I can tell here. On the contrary, people just defended their positions and responded to your comments, whereby you called others (or their positions) “retarded” and “stupid” for doing things they’ve been doing without a problem for about 40 years or more–apparently things of which you were unaware, by virtue of your comment. I think that’s fair enough.
No, sir, I am not “defensive” because I “like to sail”. I have never sailed in my life–not even once–and have no desire to sail in the future. I like power boats, period. I respect the safety and dignity of other Charlestonians, though, some of whom DO like to sail, and I was merely correcting a misstatement and defending Cam from uninformed, unfair criticism.
No, I am not “worried” about whether or not you go offshore, and no, I’m not “worried” about dodging kids in sail boats. Rather, I asked you how long you’d lived here and if you go offshore because if you had been doing so for a long enough time, I think you would probably have seen the 12-year-olds sailing in the harbor for yourself and probably wouldn’t have made the particular comments you made. Why? Because when you c
10-4, Cam.
Also, Native hit the bullseye. It’s about pointing, not holding at the ready. If there was no pointing, the whole thing is moot. I like to always see the Coast Guard on patrol with the machine guns, and I hope they DO stand at the gun, ready for action. Makes me feel safe. Just watch where you point that thang. (I’ve never had any CG personal point a gun at me.)
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It all depends on what condition that weapon is in. Is it in condition 1 or condition 3. If it’s in Condition 1 then you’re SOL if he wanted to shoot you. If it’s in condition 3 then you have a couple of sec’s to get out of the kill zone. At Parris Island here, boaters know not to enter the Archer’s Creek during a live firing range due to alot of flying lead and they have Marines on Guard to block off the channel. So it you ignore their Security Zone and a gun is pointed at you then it’s your own fault. Just saying!
I’m sorry i don’t post much here just like to read but i always hear boaters complain about having their GOD giving right to use the Archers Creek channel but if they were to get shot for their own stupidity they would sue the government for their Idiotic actions.
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I see no problem with the Marines blocking off Archer’s Creek during firing practice (or at any other time). That seems a bit different too me–military firing range where Marines have practiced firing for over 90 years versus public harbor where kids have practiced sailing for 40 years.
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quote:
Originally posted by gotchacovered[quote]Originally posted by CSKIFF2326
I believe the threat is real and the defense must be strong and steady. I just don’t like the idea of a kid in sailing school being in the crosshairs of an M60. I don’t make the rules, though. I just think a little situational judgment might be of merit, but I can’t say for sure, again, because I wasn’t there. It’s also not a matter of being “offended”. It’s a matter of not wanting any innocent kid accidentally shot because he didn’t know how to turn his boat.
I’m all for the Coast Guard protecting ships and the feds checking people entering airlines. It’s worth some inconvenience, but let’s try not to shoot any innocent people in the process.
Just know that the USCG is military and under strict orders to point weapons, question boaters, or run them off restricted areas. I do agree pointing a weapon at a kid is a drastic measure, but these Coasties are not allowed to discriminate. If someone is in a restricted area, they are treated the same as everyone regardless of age. These kids should be warned beforehand to stay as far away as possible from these areas. Just my 2 cents…coming from an ex-Coastie.
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