September 10-14, 2012 Council Meeting
The Charleston Marriott Hotel
170 Lockwood Boulevard
Charleston, SC 29403
Phone: 1800/968]3569 or 843/723]3000 Fax: 843/723]0276
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Meeting Agenda (PDF) (Note: Except for advertised (scheduled) public hearings and public comment sessions, the times indicated on the agenda may be adjusted as necessary to accommodate the completion of agenda items. Interested parties should be aware that meetings may start earlier or later than indicated.)
Briefing Book Materials (posted 8/22/12)
Public Comment:
Informal Question / Answer Session - Wednesday, September 12, 5:30 pm - Led by NOAA Fisheries Regional Administrator Dr. Roy Crabtree and Chairman David Cupka
Public Comment Session - Thursday, September 13, 2:00 pm - Public comment will be accepted on: (1) Shrimp Amendment 9, (2) Joint South Atlantic and Gulf dealer permit action, (3) Comprehensive Ecosystem-Based Amendment 3 (reporting requirements for for-hire and commercial sectors), (4) an Emergency Rule request to delay the start of the golden tilefish season, and (4) Golden Crab Amendment 6 (catch shares) followed by public comment regarding any other items on the Council agenda.
AGENDA HIGHLIGHTS
Snapper Grouper Committee
Amendment 22: The Committee will discuss alternatives for implementation of a tag program for red snapper and deepwater snapper grouper species (e.g. golden tilefish and snowy grouper).
MPAs: The Committee will receive an update on the recent MPA Workshops, discuss the status of MPAs and HAPCs for speckled hind and warsaw grouper, and provide direction to staff.
Emergency Rule for Golden Tilefish: The Committee will provide recommendations on a request to delay the opening of the commercial golden tilefish season in 2013 in order to allow time for implementation of an endorsement program for the fishery.
Regulatory Amendment 14: The Committee will discuss management options for mutton snapper (spawning se
They already have. See how many people are selling their boats. I just sold mine and am buying a kayak. It will hurt our local economy in the long run.
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Flying High, I’m sure it will come to that someday. To be honest, I’m ok with that if it means a healthier fishery in the longrun. It worked in the Chesapeake.
Yes it is really close right…but when you love something it’s real hard to give it up,so maybe I’ll become a pirate…
JP do you even following what is happening?
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Flying High, I’m sure it will come to that someday. To be honest, I’m ok with that if it means a healthier fishery in the longrun. It worked in the Chesapeake.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
If you are talking about stripers, it didn't work as they advertised. I gave a presentation on this a while back and can prove that the recovery was underway well before the closure and that the stock is again in decline...
Even so, the Atlantic Ocean is slightly larger than the Chesapeake. I bet there are more people chasing stripers in the Chesapeake than there are people bottom fishing in SC.
I do follow what’s going on and realize most of the data is based on bad science. The BSB closure is insane and this micro snapper season is way to short. Skinneej, part of the problems with stripers in the bay is pollution. The bay was and still is disgusting. Bethlehem steel, chicken farms, toxic dumping etc. were all to blame. But, the majority of the decline was related to commercial overfishing. They rebounded nicely after the 10 year moratorium and attempt to clean up the bay. I haven’t fished there in the last six years since I’ve lived here but have a few friends there that run charters that do well. I’m all for whatever needs to be done to sustain a fishery for our children. As long as it’s based on sound science. Recreational rod and reel fishing is rarely the source of the problem. I’m not saying I agree with what is going on because it’s based on misinformation. But, we need to be responsible and dealing with limits and temporary closures, right or wrong, isn’t always a bad thing.
I do follow what’s going on and realize most of the data is based on bad science. The BSB closure is insane and this micro snapper season is way to short. Skinneej, part of the problems with stripers in the bay is pollution. The bay was and still is disgusting. Bethlehem steel, chicken farms, toxic dumping etc. were all to blame. But, the majority of the decline was related to commercial overfishing. They rebounded nicely after the 10 year moratorium and attempt to clean up the bay. I haven’t fished there in the last six years since I’ve lived here but have a few friends there that run charters that do well. I’m all for whatever needs to be done to sustain a fishery for our children. As long as it’s based on sound science. Recreational rod and reel fishing is rarely the source of the problem. I’m not saying I agree with what is going on because it’s based on misinformation. But, we need to be responsible and dealing with limits and temporary closures, right or wrong, isn’t always a bad thing.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
J.P. unfortunately, you have been severly mislead…
What 10 year moratorium? Not sure where you are getting the story from but the only moratorium that I know of was in Maryland from 1985-1989 (Not quite 5 years) and in Virginia (1989-1990) 1 year.
The striped bass fishery has been known to be cyclical back since the 1880’s. Check out this article:
"Striped bass populations have a history of periods of abundance interspersed with periods of scarcity. A major coast-wide reduction in abundance occurred at the end of the 19th century. No catches of stripers were reported north of Boston for 30 years after 1897. Populations had recovered somewh
KEEP IN MIND… This CLOSURE is the POSTER BOY OF SUCCESS for NMFS!!! Other species have been in a full moratorium for 20+ years with NO SUCCESS… The track record doesn’t look so good…
Another one I like is the assumption that banning fishing where a species is most prevalent automatically improves the health of that particular species overall in a larger area.
How many of you knew that when red grouper are overpopulated on a reef they change their own sexes so that there’s a higher ratio of males or sometimes no females at all. They don’t want more competition for limited habitat and food…
I’m sure that MPA’s for where red grouper are most abundant (and the displacement of the former fishing pressure in those areas onto other areas) does WONDERS (sarcasm) for the red grouper population off our coast as a whole.
Flying High, I’m sure it will come to that someday. To be honest, I’m ok with that if it means a healthier fishery in the longrun. It worked in the Chesapeake.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
I am not sure that you are all that informed on what exactly is off our coast and how bad the data, assumptions and rationales for certain closures occuring here are.
We haven’t had roller nets destroying our habitat in decades, and we do not have bottom longlining inside 100FA since the early 90’s when it was banned as well.
There is a skeleton of a commercial fleet based here now, and when I go fishing offshore Aug-April I RARELY even SEE another fishing boat during 4-10hrs of fishing.
Not to mention the fact that from 40ft-300ft where I normally fish, I personally have over 10,000 natural bottom waypoints off SC alone…
I have not witnessed any increase in catch or size of ARS since the closure, and I actually see less of them on the sonar now vs in 2007 and 2008 before the closure. All I have seen is a BOOM in the c bass population in the last 10 years and 30-year-old state records being broken for fish that supposedly need closures and arbitrary geographic or temporal fishing limitations to improve their health.
ARS numbers greatly improved from the 90’s to the mid 2000’s because of restrictions that came in the early '90’s. The closures being forced on us now are a result of corruption and anti-fishing agendas being embraced by bureaucrats who have been fed lies for their whole careers or either have no place else to work but for the federal or state governments (also beholding to the feds for majority of funding).
Get most of these folks in private, and they will all tell you that all of this stuff is a farse but over their paygr
I do follow what’s going on and realize most of the data is based on bad science. The BSB closure is insane and this micro snapper season is way to short. Skinneej, part of the problems with stripers in the bay is pollution. The bay was and still is disgusting. Bethlehem steel, chicken farms, toxic dumping etc. were all to blame. But, the majority of the decline was related to commercial overfishing. They rebounded nicely after the 10 year moratorium and attempt to clean up the bay. I haven’t fished there in the last six years since I’ve lived here but have a few friends there that run charters that do well. I’m all for whatever needs to be done to sustain a fishery for our children. As long as it’s based on sound science. Recreational rod and reel fishing is rarely the source of the problem. I’m not saying I agree with what is going on because it’s based on misinformation. But, we need to be responsible and dealing with limits and temporary closures, right or wrong, isn’t always a bad thing.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
The number one problem with the bay and stripers is OMEGA! Omega has been raping the menhaden for far too long. Due to bad math and federal bureaucrats that line their pockets with healthy campaign donations, Omega has run unchecked and wiped out all the large schools of forage fish for the bay. The stripers are starving to death so Omega can make fish oil and fish meal. Look it up. do the research. The mid Atlantic council is just as screwed up as our own band of idiots from the SAFMC
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NMFS = No More Fishing Season
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Have to agree with the assessment of omega. Say what you will of ecosystem-based fisheries management, but removing the primary prey species of striped bass, weakfish, etc. has definitely had a huge impact on their health.
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quote:Originally posted by J.P.
I do follow what’s going on and realize most of the data is based on bad science. The BSB closure is insane and this micro snapper season is way to short. Skinneej, part of the problems with stripers in the bay is pollution. The bay was and still is disgusting. Bethlehem steel, chicken farms, toxic dumping etc. were all to blame. But, the majority of the decline was related to commercial overfishing. They rebounded nicely after the 10 year moratorium and attempt to clean up the bay. I haven’t fished there in the last six years since I’ve lived here but have a few friends there that run charters that do well. I’m all for whatever needs to be done to sustain a fishery for our children. As long as it’s based on sound science. Recreational rod and reel fishing is rarely the source of the problem. I’m not saying I agree with what is going on because it’s based on misinformation. But, we need to be responsible and dealing with limits and temporary closures, right or wrong, isn’t always a bad thing.
If two wrongs don’t make a right, try three.
The number one problem with the bay and stripers is OMEGA! Omega has been raping the menhaden for far too long. Due to bad math and federal bureaucrats that line their pockets with healthy campaign donations, Omega has run unchecked and wiped out all the large schools of forage fish for the bay. The stripers are starving to death so Omega can ma
I don’t know if this is the sentiment shared by most big boat owners but last night I found myself stuck in the middle of two of them talking about the bottom closures…
I can’t and won’t give out any names on a public forum,but they don’t give a rats a$$ about bottom fishing.One of them bragged of Nikki’s husband and how he loved fishing with them as much as he could and how they wouldn’t mess with dolphin,wahoo and the sort becuase of the money involved with big boat guys.
I can sum it up by saying that if you bottom fish,these two turds
considered you trailer trash.
September 10-14, 2012 Council Meeting
The Charleston Marriott Hotel
170 Lockwood Boulevard
Charleston, SC 29403
Phone: 1800/968]3569 or 843/723]3000 Fax: 843/723]0276
Note! Watch the Council Meetings LIVE! Sign up for Webinar.
Meeting Agenda (PDF) (Note: Except for advertised (scheduled) public hearings and public comment sessions, the times indicated on the agenda may be adjusted as necessary to accommodate the completion of agenda items. Interested parties should be aware that meetings may start earlier or later than indicated.)
Briefing Book Materials (posted 8/22/12)
Public Comment:
Informal Question / Answer Session - Wednesday, September 12, 5:30 pm - Led by NOAA Fisheries Regional Administrator Dr. Roy Crabtree and Chairman David Cupka
Public Comment Session - Thursday, September 13, 2:00 pm - Public comment will be accepted on: (1) Shrimp Amendment 9, (2) Joint South Atlantic and Gulf dealer permit action, (3) Comprehensive Ecosystem-Based Amendment 3 (reporting requirements for for-hire and commercial sectors), (4) an Emergency Rule request to delay the start of the golden tilefish season, and (4) Golden Crab Amendment 6 (catch shares) followed by public comment regarding any other items on the Council agenda.
AGENDA HIGHLIGHTS
Snapper Grouper Committee
Amendment 22: The Committee will discuss alternatives for implementation of a tag program for red snapper and deepwater snapper grouper species (e.g. golden tilefish and snowy grouper).
MPAs: The Committee will receive an update on the recent MPA Workshops, discuss the status of MPAs and HAPCs for speckled hind and warsaw grouper, and provide direction to staff.
Emergency Rule for Golden Tilefish: The Committee will provide recommendations on a request to delay the opening of the commercial golden tilefish season in 2013 in order to allow
