The advisory panel voted unanimously to recommend to the full SAFMC that they implement a recreational snapper grouper permit
This was on the SAFMC facebook feed
Anyone have any insight into their rationale for implementing a recreational fishing license for the snapper grouper complex?
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I haven’t followed that issue, but their rationale is likely to get a better understanding of how many people are actually involved in the fishery. I will see if I can make a couple of calls to get some more detail.
The additional license for the snapper/grouper fishery if approved, will be a Federal Permit. To me it makes sense. You buy a hunting license to hunt and then a big game permit to hunt deer and etc. The current SC saltwater fishing license is very cheap. FED and State both need more funds as funding continues to be cut. WE as fisherman constantly complain about many different problems. Funding is the root of many problems. YES, the use of the money is the biggest issue/downfall with the govt. Irregardless, fisheries still need more money.
As Skinneej mentioned, the snapper grouper license will possibly allow for a state pilot program to be connected with the FED permit to hopefully connect with recreational fisherman to have better date collections. The HOPE is that this additional data will help manage the fisheries better. Hopefully this will mean red snapper re opens and other more logical solutions to problems down the road. The reason that many commercial rules are different than recreational is because all of their fish are being counted. Fisheries managers have no idea what the average recreational fisherman is catching. This license and pilot program is the first big step towards better data management and hopefully no more ignorantly closed seasons.
quote:While what you say is 100% true, typically this is not how federal money is managed. If you look at the HMS permits, the FAQ actually says that the money raised goes to fund the website and the permitting program itself through the general treasury. In other words, when you pay $20 for your "tuna permit", not one red cent actually goes back to the fishery.
Originally posted by FishnBarrelsFED and State both need more funds as funding continues to be cut. WE as fisherman constantly complain about many different problems. Funding is the root of many problems. YES, the use of the money is the biggest issue/downfall with the govt. Irregardless, fisheries still need more money.
At the state level, the whole idea of the saltwater license increase from $5 to $10 or whatever it is now was to do exactly what you suggest (i.e. put more money into fisheries management). The reality of what really happens is that when we raise our own money, they just give us less budget or pull more budget away so that it’s a net zero increase. Sad, but true unless something has changed.
Are they going to require trip tickets for every trip offshore? The only thing they will know is how many people are fishing offshore for snapper and grouper, not how many fish are being taken without a reporting system similar to swordfish.
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Oyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
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Originally posted by sellsfishAre they going to require trip tickets for every trip offshore? The only thing they will know is how many people are fishing offshore for snapper and grouper, not how many fish are being taken without a reporting system similar to swordfish.
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PROUD YANKEEOyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
No doubt, I’ve got my hunting/fishing license with saltwater stamp since I was 16 (or when ever I was required to) There has been several years I never ventured on salt water or hunted. Like Sells stated, it will let them know how many may want to fish for Grouper but not how many are caught. Sounds like just one more avenue to make us pay for our natural resources.
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
More beaurocracy…
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by sellsfishAre they going to require trip tickets for every trip offshore? The only thing they will know is how many people are fishing offshore for snapper and grouper, not how many fish are being taken without a reporting system similar to swordfish.
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PROUD YANKEEOyster Baron
NMFS = No More Fishing Season
“Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him”
No doubt, I’ve got my hunting/fishing license with saltwater stamp since I was 16 (or when ever I was required to) There has been several years I never ventured on salt water or hunted. Like Sells stated, it will let them know how many may want to fish for Grouper but not how many are caught. Sounds like just one more avenue to make us pay for our natural resources.
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
Agreed.
And BTW, Bruce went through the “FINAL SURGERY” so you need to update your signature…and I dare you to google it. Some things you can’t unsee man…
Everyone above and Sells
I don’t think they would even consider requiring trip tickets. I just happened to have a meeting at DNR yesterday and learned my limited information about this during a question and answer session there. They hope to adopt a pilot program to have some type of voluntary contact between fisherman and state to help better determine what fish are being caught and equally important, what is NOT caught. This will be Voluntary and the snapper/grouper permit is 1 step towards better connecting with the rec fisherman that target these species. This helps them narrow down (from millions of people to hundreds of thousands) a possible group to request any voluntary data from.
Skinneej,
I completely agree with your points on funding and revenue and as I mentioned at the beginning, that will always be a govt type flaw that we are powerless against. I discussed this at DNR and it is a known issue but is above most employees of DNR as well. The best response can and always will be related to …" I can only control my actions and those I am responsible for. I have to be positive that I am doing things for the right reasons. There will always be negative situations that I can’t control. We have to believe in a cause for its intended positive purposes."
This is again my limited knowledge and no way to know exactly how all of this will play out.
It’s probably a good idea to actually compile some legitimate data instead of just assuming that there’s a certain amount down there, then assuming a certain amount were caught this year in order to arbitrarily come up with a limit or closure.
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Originally posted by FishnBarrelsThe best response can and always will be related to …" I can only control my actions and those I am responsible for. I have to be positive that I am doing things for the right reasons. There will always be negative situations that I can’t control. We have to believe in a cause for its intended positive purposes."
I am with you man, but I’ve always thought the answer above is a cop out. I’m not saying this to you as I know you are reporting on what others said, but if they are reading, I want them to know that this answer is not acceptable. In any organization private business or government, a sign of organizational health is that real change and innovation comes from the “front line”, not from the CEO. If an organization does not operate this way, then that organization is not healthy, and the CEO needs to be fired.
I refuse to accept the answer of “I’m not allowed out of my box”. That just means that they are too comfortable living inside of a box. They need to have some backbone and drive change upwards.
Sorry for my rant FishnBarrels. Again, not meant to you personally.
Skinneej,
I completely 100% agree with everything you are saying. I operate my life the same way. The problem with most govt related entities in America right now is the people at the top are intertwined with big business politics and very few decisions are made with the best interest of the people in mind. I am working in my own ways to change what I can and without considering jail, that is the best I can do. The people at the top will always ruin things for the majority until civil war happens.
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Originally posted by 23SailfishAgreed.
And BTW, Bruce went through the “FINAL SURGERY” so you need to update your signature…and I dare you to google it. Some things you can’t unsee man…
Had to look and … yep you are right. Dang it. Guess I’ll have to change it.
Another paper to purchase and maintain.
I think everyone should apply for the charter boat permits.That will get them confused no rec fisherman just charter boats.
If the idea behind this new permit is simply to collect rec data, it would be far more efficient to just add snapper/grouper complex to the HMS permit rather than creating an entire new bureaucracy
These people are solutions looking for problems like firemen starting fires so they can put them out
Squid Row II
22 Shamrock WA
Flounder Pounder II
16 Sandpiper Skiff