I know the tannin is from trees, I’m also assuming it’s a surrogate marker for the amount of runoff which contains pollutants like fertilizers
Can’t answer that one millacd. wasn’t trying to be a smart ars. As for fertilizer run off. Probably not so much through the winter and not much right now. Any field close to a swamp or in low areas is not getting planted right now. Helped a neighbor yesterday get a tractor out of a field.
As for run off this spring in urban areas, I’d say ton’s of fertilizer, insecticides, weed killers and a variety of other crap will wash into our estuaries. Gotta keep those yards looking good. Lord knows we sure are expanding on our coasts…
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
Very good reply Fred on the timing of pollutants . There is also another twist to the pollutant theory that I believe contributes
to the problem that a lot of folks don’t know about…
A lot of the cities “truck tons” of raw sewage sludge (supposedly
after some processing) </font id=“red”> to areas away from the cities and spread it across the land. This isn’t done seasonally , it’s all the time…(don’t think its been stopped</font id=“orange”>)
Can’t imagine what all is in that Shat</font id=“green”> [:0][:0] that common sense will tell you is making its way into the waters , both tributaries and also the ground water !!!
Can’t help but to think when I diddle around fishing here/there that
I’m messing around in some upstream city folks crap pool where ever
I might be.[:0][:0][:0]
I know the tannin is from trees, I’m also assuming it’s a surrogate marker for the amount of runoff which contains pollutants like fertilizers
Can’t answer that one millacd. wasn’t trying to be a smart ars. As for fertilizer run off. Probably not so much through the winter and not much right now. Any field close to a swamp or in low areas is not getting planted right now. Helped a neighbor yesterday get a tractor out of a field.
As for run off this spring in urban areas, I’d say ton’s of fertilizer, insecticides, weed killers and a variety of other crap will wash into our estuaries. Gotta keep those yards looking good. Lord knows we sure are expanding on our coasts…
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
I wasn’t trying to be smart either, sorry for the curt reply. Anyhow, it’s amazing how lowes and Home Depot are allowed to sell so much toxic fertilizers insecticides and chemicals in a low lying coastal area such as this. Almost every bag of non organic supplements has some sort of marine warning on it about how you shouldn’t use it in areas that drain to marine/aquatic environments. It’s basically impossible to find a lawn in Charleston that doesn’t drain to the estuaries.
As an aside, I was fishing a small creek around Daniel island earlier today and there was a disgusting oil sheen on the water and mud. right near a shellfish-not-fit-for-consumption sign
Again, you severely underestimate data obtained from time on the water from an extensive network. If you fish for redfish down here at all, I hope your catch rates remain satisfactory, but changes are coming.
quote:Originally posted by Big Shrimpin
If I cannot provide you with data, how does that lend credibility to your assertion? You have not provided any empirical studies or evidence to support your claim.
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Again, I could care less. The guides would love for the limit to be “Do not keep any” because people would stop targeting them and they would otherwise become unmolested except for the paying customers looking for many photo ops. I do believe this would be called an agenda. There is a big difference between collective “data” and collective opinion.
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Why aren’t they having this problem in Louisiana where the entire country flushes it’s fertilizers…? Furthermore. …those are mainly nitrates correct…? They make things grow…not die…? We had some really crappy shrimp seasons in the last 5 years I believe. I wonder if that could contribute. .?
With the exception of this last year’s flood right at the beginning of the shrimping season. The previous four summer seasons contained rainfall that was way above norm. I believe the shrimp left the creeks and headed for the deep water at their earliest convenience. This year was definitely better than the past four. I did fairly well.
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Soooooo…perhaps the fish have followed the bait. I just have trouble the pollution debate. As someone in the building business, drainage, retention ponds, etc, have become much more stringent in the past 15 years. Couple that with the EPA clamping down on everything. …including what is spewn out of the International Paper Mill…I just don’t buy all of that. The fish may not be as good for you to eat, but it in most cases don’t stop them from reproducing.
I agree Redstripe. People live in a bubble. We do not have a pollution “problem”; I am not saying it is non-existent. I have traveled the world near and far and I have seen incredible pollution. Unbelievably, some of these polluted cesspools are amazing fisheries. Fish are amazingly resilient creatures.
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My take is still to enforce the rules we have and stop making new ones. All the Charleston guys are kidding yourself if you think this will be isolated to Georgetown and NI. Strict regulations in one area will put more pressure on other areas and before you know if we’ll all be cutting grass on Saturday instead of fishing. Here’s the website for contacting your officials. http://www.scstatehouse.gov/legislatorssearch.php
We used to consider spot tails trash fish back in the day. They were so plentiful we used to curse them. And that’s when the city discharged poo directly to the harbor.
Quit seeing them so much after they were renamed redfish, and boats starting showing up with those silly step stools on the back
We used to consider spot tails trash fish back in the day. They were so plentiful we used to curse them. And that’s when the city discharged poo directly to the harbor.
Quit seeing them so much after they were renamed redfish, and boats starting showing up with those silly step stools on the back
Do you catch as many fish out of your Flats boat as you did your bay boat?
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Down here is where a signature goes but they can confuse and anger some people so I don’t have one.
Again, a no redfish limit HURTS most local guides. Most people fishing for reds ARE NOT Guides. BTW, most Santee stripers spawn upstream of Santee Cooper in the Broad, Saluda (Congaree), and Wateree rivers so exact creel counts are impossible without angler input. Please explain where this "collective data’ will come from, and if there are ANY guides or recreational fishermen on the water 2+ days per week reading this and have the opinion redfish stocks have not been on the decline in your areas in the past 6 years, please weigh in as it IS very useful data. Saying that guides want to shut the fishery down is bordering on lunacy.
quote:Originally posted by Big Shrimpin
Again, I could care less. The guides would love for the limit to be “Do not keep any” because people would stop targeting them and they would otherwise become unmolested except for the paying customers looking for many photo ops. I do believe this would be called an agenda. There is a big difference between collective “data” and collective opinion.
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Soooooo…perhaps the fish have followed the bait. I just have trouble the pollution debate. As someone in the building business, drainage, retention ponds, etc, have become much more stringent in the past 15 years. Couple that with the EPA clamping down on everything. …including what is spewn out of the International Paper Mill…I just don’t buy all of that. The fish may not be as good for you to eat, but it in most cases don’t stop them from reproducing.
Our Striper population is riverine. The fish lift was installed in order for these fish to get into the rivers you mentioned for spawning. The spawn cannot naturally occur without it because the eggs would not have the necessary incubation time or water flow rate. The fish lift is a very valuable aid in monitoring this process. I am not the one saying “trust me and every tournament angler in the state that has confided in me”. The burden of proof is on you. Empirical data comes from study utilizing the scientific method of research. Both you and I know that this data does not exist. You are telling me that your word and all your buddies should be all it takes for regulation changes. I am for helping the redfish population as I am sure you are. I just prefer I more scientific approach than “trust me”. That is real lunacy. People go on redfish charters to catch bulls mostly, not to bring home a meal. If a slot gets caught, it is a bonus. If less people are pressuring the fish on the flats, then they will be easier to catch. That is simple logic. Redfishing hit the mainstream here a few years back and it has turned into a big money game, just like duck hunting has when the yuppies realized it was fun. More yahoos on the flats equals a tougher time fishing. I think the guides would love less people fishing for them and I don’t blame them. The problem with that is the resource belongs to everyone; like it or not. Furthermore, check the reports from local guides’ facebook pages and the pictures of their trips: constantly posting stuff like “caught 40 today”. We cannot claim that the fishery is in a nosediving state of decline and that it is better than ever at the same time. I am supposed to just trust their input? You cannot have it both ways. I do not fish for redfish all year every year but when I decide to go, I prefer regulation to be at a minimum. It is my right to weigh in on this as much as the year round tounament redfisherman/guide. The DNR and the state do not discriminate when they
I must be missing something here. I think at almost 70yrs old I go
back (in the day) about as far and probably further than most here
and I or no one else that I known ever considered pups , reds , red drum , channel bass , or what ever you choose to call them “Trash fish”. They were always as prized as most any other catch:question:
Am I wrong or just read it wrong??? Whiting/mullet , pomps , pups , trout (specks and Gray) , and Blues were always the
target …[:0][:0] Also can’t understand why yall want to bash
the guides so hard , guides stand to loose far more than the rest of the keyboard/desk jockeys on here IMO with all the crap thats thrown at them
gail wins. I apologize if I appear to be bashing on the guides, but they do seem to be the impetus for the proposed closure in the initial post. I am merely making a logical argument for how a study would be better before regulations are changed by proposing that there could be an agenda by those pursuing the closure. I do not take any issue with our guides; I think they are great.
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The majority of Santee stripers don’t go through the lift from salt to fresh. The ones that do are totally separate from the stocked fish on the lakes.
It takes 72 hours for striper eggs to be in motion before hatching, and all rivers ABOVE Santee provide plenty of mileage for natural reproduction to occur which is over 60 miles per river route.
Again, who is going to obtain this empirical data and how? No explanation given yet.
You obviously have no idea of the breakdown of which charters target what fish. The numbers are 3/1 at least on the side of creek/river reds vs. bull reds. Inshore reds can be successfully targeted year round. Bulls cannot.
If you truly knew the guides you are following on Facebook, then you WOULD KNOW if they were reliable or not.
Please weigh in on your own personal experiences. How often do you target reds inshore, and what are your conclusions on juvenile populations? What areas do you fish? Very important data.
quote:Originally posted by Big Shrimpin
Our Striper population is riverine. The fish lift was installed in order for them to make passage for those these fish to get into the rivers you mentioned in order to spawn. The spawn cannot naturally occur without it because the eggs would not have the necessary incubation time or water flow rate. The fish lift is a very valuable aid in monitoring this process. I am not the one saying “trust me and every tournament angler in the state that has confided in me”. The burden of proof is on you. Empirical data comes from study utilizing the scientific method of research. Both you and I know that this data does not exist. You are telling me that your word and all your buddies should be all it takes for regulation changes. I am for helping the redfish population as I am sure you are. I just prefer I more scientific approach than “trust me”. That is real lunacy. People go on redfi
</font id=“red”> to areas away from the cities and spread it across the land. This isn’t done seasonally , it’s all the time…(don’t think its been stopped</font id=“orange”>)
